All Blacks 2022
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@Crazy-Horse I have been a fan of Reece the past couple of seasons, smart player, huge workrate, sure he lacks accuracy on defence and is prone to the odd hollywood, but he's a winger!
I like Telea too, he brings something a bit different, slippery as an eel and makes good post-contact metres and like Reece, seems to punch a bit above thier advertised playing weights, so is good having both as an option...
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
All Blacks player ratings: High highs and low lows for centres and outside backs
The All Blacks' midfielders and outside backs mixed moments of the sublime with an equal number of moments of despair in 2022.
Full ratings
Hookers:
Dane Coles – 4/10
Samisoni Taukei’aho – 8
Codie Taylor – 5
Asafo Aumua – N/A
Props:
Aidan Ross – N/A
George Bower – 6
Nepo Laulala – 4
Angus Ta’avao – 4
Ofa Tu’ungafasi – 5
Karl Tu’inukuafe – N/A
Tyrel Lomax – 7
Ethan de Groot – 6
Fletcher Newell – 5
Locks:
Scott Barrett – 7
Josh Lord – N/A
Brodie Retallick – 7
Tupou Vaa’i – 5
Sam Whitelock – 7
Josh Dickson – N/A
Patrick Tuipulotu – N/A
Loose forwards:
Sam Cane – 6
Akira Ioane – 6
Dalton Papali’i – 7
Ardie Savea – 8
Hoskins Sotutu – 6
Pita Gus Sowakula – N/A
Shannon Frizell – 6
Billy Harmon – N/A
Halfbacks:
Finlay Christie – 5
Folau Fakatava – 5
Aaron Smith – 6
Brad Weber – N/A
TJ Perenara – 6
First fives:
Beauden Barrett – 5
Richie Mo’unga – 7
Stephen Perofeta – N/A
Midfield:
David Havili – 5
Jack Goodhue – N/A
Rieko Ioane – 7
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck – N/A
Quinn Tupaea – 6
Braydon Ennor – N/A
Anton Lienert-Brown – 5
Outside backs:
Caleb Clarke – 6
Leicester Fainga’anuku – 5
Will Jordan – 6
Sevu Reece – 5
Jordie Barrett – 7
Mark Telea – 8
Apart from Telea rated 8, far too high of 2 tests and Jordie rated as outside back, those numbers look so much more realistic than the shit you normally see.
I particularly like that SMith got one point for each run he mad ethe entire fucking season
It is out of 10 right?
Pretty rough on Ardie to say he's 20% short of perfect. Should be a 9 at least and I feel like Whitelock outperformed Retallick (and probably Barrett did too). But other than that and what you noted, probably the best you'll see (because I largely agree).
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
All Blacks player ratings: High highs and low lows for centres and outside backs
The All Blacks' midfielders and outside backs mixed moments of the sublime with an equal number of moments of despair in 2022.
Full ratings
Hookers:
Dane Coles – 4/10
Samisoni Taukei’aho – 8
Codie Taylor – 5
Asafo Aumua – N/A
Props:
Aidan Ross – N/A
George Bower – 6
Nepo Laulala – 4
Angus Ta’avao – 4
Ofa Tu’ungafasi – 5
Karl Tu’inukuafe – N/A
Tyrel Lomax – 7
Ethan de Groot – 6
Fletcher Newell – 5
Locks:
Scott Barrett – 7
Josh Lord – N/A
Brodie Retallick – 7
Tupou Vaa’i – 5
Sam Whitelock – 7
Josh Dickson – N/A
Patrick Tuipulotu – N/A
Loose forwards:
Sam Cane – 6
Akira Ioane – 6
Dalton Papali’i – 7
Ardie Savea – 8
Hoskins Sotutu – 6
Pita Gus Sowakula – N/A
Shannon Frizell – 6
Billy Harmon – N/A
Halfbacks:
Finlay Christie – 5
Folau Fakatava – 5
Aaron Smith – 6
Brad Weber – N/A
TJ Perenara – 6
First fives:
Beauden Barrett – 5
Richie Mo’unga – 7
Stephen Perofeta – N/A
Midfield:
David Havili – 5
Jack Goodhue – N/A
Rieko Ioane – 7
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck – N/A
Quinn Tupaea – 6
Braydon Ennor – N/A
Anton Lienert-Brown – 5
Outside backs:
Caleb Clarke – 6
Leicester Fainga’anuku – 5
Will Jordan – 6
Sevu Reece – 5
Jordie Barrett – 7
Mark Telea – 8
Apart from Telea rated 8, far too high of 2 tests and Jordie rated as outside back, those numbers look so much more realistic than the shit you normally see.
I particularly like that SMith got one point for each run he mad ethe entire fucking season
It is out of 10 right?
Pretty rough on Ardie to say he's 20% short of perfect. Should be a 9 at least and I feel like Whitelock outperformed Retallick (and probably Barrett did too). But other than that and what you noted, probably the best you'll see (because I largely agree).
Yeah I don't agree with it all, as you say SB>SW>BBBR IMO. But not outrageous rubbish numbers you often see
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial So I bought up 8 points in regards to his play - but because I didn't include 1 point you feel should be in there your going to rubbish the entire post.
Delightful...
Touchy.
I didn't rubbish your entire post at all. However I do think some of your points are bit dated.
Running sideways does still happen but not as much as it used to and it isn't away from support it is buying time and looking for a hole. When you are a little fella the last thing you want is to get caught where there isn't support so sometimes you take a step back and dodge until you know someone is ready behind you. 2017, 2018 yep he still used to try to go by himself too much.
As for running too often instead of kicking, I'm not sure where you are coming from on that unless again you are picturing years ago when he had licence to have a crack from the back (often to great effect). At 10 he mixes up his kicking game a lot keeping defences on their toes.From recent games I saw he doesn't have the same acceleration as of old, doesn't run as much, but doesn't crab as much and distributes, kicks, passes, and strategizes better (seems to make quicker and better decisions) than our incumbent 10s (but at a lower level and hasn't had too many physical challenges).
The big difference between DMac and the others is that DMac will run the show, boss the backs. Yes, it can have a downside too when decisions don’t work out but all the best 10s are “generals”. The backs have to react off the 10, and most backs like that, especially instinctive ones.
I never get the feeling that RM or BB have control. They are either shoveling or reacting.As for acceleration that brilliant try to Stevenson against Ireland says DMac still has it. Comes from nowhere to poach the ball, stays around to be the link a second time.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial So I bought up 8 points in regards to his play - but because I didn't include 1 point you feel should be in there your going to rubbish the entire post.
Delightful...
Touchy.
I didn't rubbish your entire post at all. However I do think some of your points are bit dated.
Running sideways does still happen but not as much as it used to and it isn't away from support it is buying time and looking for a hole. When you are a little fella the last thing you want is to get caught where there isn't support so sometimes you take a step back and dodge until you know someone is ready behind you. 2017, 2018 yep he still used to try to go by himself too much.
As for running too often instead of kicking, I'm not sure where you are coming from on that unless again you are picturing years ago when he had licence to have a crack from the back (often to great effect). At 10 he mixes up his kicking game a lot keeping defences on their toes.From recent games I saw he doesn't have the same acceleration as of old, doesn't run as much, but doesn't crab as much and distributes, kicks, passes, and strategizes better (seems to make quicker and better decisions) than our incumbent 10s (but at a lower level and hasn't had too many physical challenges).
The big difference between DMac and the others is that DMac will run the show, boss the backs. Yes, it can have a downside too when decisions don’t work out but all the best 10s are “generals”. The backs have to react off the 10, and most backs like that, especially instinctive ones.
I never get the feeling that RM or BB have control. They are either shoveling or reacting.As for acceleration that brilliant try to Stevenson against Ireland says DMac still has it. Comes from nowhere to poach the ball, stays around to be the link a second time.
He will have his chance to state his case next season. RM is the incumbent and our stocks drop right off after that
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial would like to see him at 1st five. At FB he is rocks or diamonds. Can he kick for territory and control the game that way. Always thought he would have been a brilliant halfback. Do we need one of those :-).
Halfback would reduce his opportunity to do some of the things he did well but I agree that it would be interesting.
I’m not saying he should be AB 10 just that he has some of the qualities that the others lack.
As a bench option instead of BB (with Jordan at 15) he could be the ideal spark. -
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Not disagreeing with you. I think he is an option although unlikely And this is probably get me thrown under the bus but he does kind of run in the line like cruden.
Another favourite of mine. Had weaknesses but also brought a certain amount of style and difference.
If that Cruden and SBW combo wasn’t ruined by injury it showed brilliance. -
Richie Mo'unga and Mark Telea stand out as thr obvious WTF? Scores
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial would like to see him at 1st five. At FB he is rocks or diamonds. Can he kick for territory and control the game that way. Always thought he would have been a brilliant halfback. Do we need one of those :-).
Halfback would reduce his opportunity to do some of the things he did well but I agree that it would be interesting.
I’m not saying he should be AB 10 just that he has some of the qualities that the others lack.
As a bench option instead of BB (with Jordan at 15) he could be the ideal spark.I’ve been a big beaudie fan but if everyone is fit and available, you could now ask the question without being a hater , is he needed in the 23 ?
Heading into similar territory as cane .
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@kiwiinmelb I think you need BB for a couple of things, among the most important, we don't have another backline leader. I perhaps not as convinced about Jordan at 15, as I really think he goes missing under high ball etc too much. Wonderful attacker, but on this years form pretty erratic, was pretty average in Irish series where he looked almost to have no interest at all at times.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial would like to see him at 1st five. At FB he is rocks or diamonds. Can he kick for territory and control the game that way. Always thought he would have been a brilliant halfback. Do we need one of those :-).
Halfback would reduce his opportunity to do some of the things he did well but I agree that it would be interesting.
I’m not saying he should be AB 10 just that he has some of the qualities that the others lack.
As a bench option instead of BB (with Jordan at 15) he could be the ideal spark.I’ve been a big beaudie fan but if everyone is fit and available, you could now ask the question without being a hater , is he needed in the 23 ?
Heading into similar territory as cane .
He isn't the player he once was. But I don't think our gameplan is making he or RM look as good as they could be either
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I perhaps not as convinced about Jordan at 15,
There's a presumption by some on here that WJ will slot in at 15 and dominate. I'm yet to be convniced that his game will translate to Tests. I suspect it's irrelevant anywya; he hasn't really played there at the top level yet, and doesn't ahve the experience. Frankly, like it or lump it, BB is locked in. It's Codie Taylor all over agin; Foster's going to try to play him into form for the pointy end of the tournament.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I perhaps not as convinced about Jordan at 15,
There's a presumption by some on here that WJ will slot in at 15 and dominate. I'm yet to be convniced that his game will translate to Tests. I suspect it's irrelevant anywya; he hasn't really played there at the top level yet, and doesn't ahve the experience. Frankly, like it or lump it, BB is locked in. It's Codie Taylor all over agin; Foster's going to try to play him into form for the pointy end of the tournament.
And his experience is important for RM, who needs the help frankly.
