Jacinda resigned
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@mariner4life said in Jacinda resigned:
I found her to be a bloody good leader in times of crisis.
and she had a few things to deal with on her watch too.
On one hand, good riddance, but on the other, Luxon with his trainer wheels doesnt fill me with confidence either...I can just imagine Winny in the corner rubbing his hands together at this.
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@nzzp said in Jacinda resigned:
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@Chester-Draws said in Jacinda resigned:
@gt12 said in Jacinda resigned:
I’m no fan of hers at all, but she really has done this the right way.
Get out far away enough from it that she is set for her next role with the UN or whatever.
She’ll continue to be the world darling and likely won’t wear any of the deserved shit that should be coming labors way.
My thoughts almost exactly. I didn't mind her, but I really don't like her government trying to turn NZ back to the 1980s.
Losing an election would spoil her brand. Never mind she didn't actually win the first election she got to be PM, and the second was basically NZ back-slapping themselves over how awesome we were at keeping Covid out (cough!), people outside NZ think she is pure magic and we are all in love with her.
I don't imagine she did it for those reasons directly though. You can see the effect being PM has had on her physically. She may want another child.
I hadn't picked the Fern to be quite so anti-Jacinda though. Are there no fans here?
Absolutely. Aged about 20 years in her time as PM.
Regrettably normal for leadership. You see the toll on Key and Obama most recently...8 years is like 20. It's ridiculously stressful and demanding
I saw Boris Johnson, in person, a couple of days ago and I couldn't get over just how much older and frailer he now looks than his Mayor of London days.
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@Chester-Draws said in Jacinda resigned:
@gt12 said in Jacinda resigned:
I’m no fan of hers at all, but she really has done this the right way.
Get out far away enough from it that she is set for her next role with the UN or whatever.
She’ll continue to be the world darling and likely won’t wear any of the deserved shit that should be coming labors way.
My thoughts almost exactly. I didn't mind her, but I really don't like her government trying to turn NZ back to the 1980s.
Losing an election would spoil her brand. Never mind she didn't actually win the first election she got to be PM, and the second was basically NZ back-slapping themselves over how awesome we were at keeping Covid out (cough!), people outside NZ think she is pure magic and we are all in love with her.
I don't imagine she did it for those reasons directly though. You can see the effect being PM has had on her physically. She may want another child.
I hadn't picked the Fern to be quite so anti-Jacinda though. Are there no fans here?
The (vocal) Fern is largely centre-right wing conservative. Most conveniently forget how abjectly incompetent the centre-right opposition party have been throughout Jacinda's time in power. National simply did not provide a credible alternative with their in-fighting and stupidity. Do they now? If they manage to put up a semblance of a united front they'll win due to the negativity around Labour, but if anybody thinks National has any answers I'd be interested to hear what they are. I don't like a lot of things about our current government, but you have to consider the 'who else then' aspect: it's basically all the same shit, but I guess in my opinion she's been the more palatable turd.
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@reprobate as I've gotten older I've gone from Labour to National, to realising both parties suck ass. The last Politician I actually liked was English, and he got screwed.
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@reprobate said in Jacinda resigned:
I hadn't picked the Fern to be quite so anti-Jacinda though. Are there no fans here?
The (vocal) Fern is largely centre-right wing conservative. Most conveniently forget how abjectly incompetent the centre-right opposition party have been throughout Jacinda's time in power. National simply did not provide a credible alternative with their in-fighting and stupidity. Do they now? If they manage to put up a semblance of a united front they'll win due to the negativity around Labour, but if anybody thinks National has any answers I'd be interested to hear what they are. I don't like a lot of things about our current government, but you have to consider the 'who else then' aspect: it's basically all the same shit, but I guess in my opinion she's been the more palatable turd.
I'm hopeful that National/ACT will win because of what they won't do.
If we are going to go down failed policies, then centralised and unionised bargaining has got to be right up there. That was going to cause unbelievable ructions. The idea that 10% of a workforce could determine the pay and conditions of the other 90% ?
And some of the less popular centralisations (Techs, Health, water) will be reversed or watered down.
And National will open the borders to immigration. One of the things foreigners don't get about Jacinda's government is just how anti-immigration it has been right from the start. They just assume because she's on the Left she must be pro-immigration.
After that if Luxon does nothing, I'll be happy. I'm a firm believer that the less governments do, the better.
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@Steve said in Jacinda resigned:
Good Riddance to her.
Hopefully Trudeau and Macron not far behind.
Their covid stance/policies were fucking despicable and they will be on the wrong side of history for sure, just like that Morrison clown in Australia.
Orwellian shite from the 4 of them over the last three years.
Dan Andrews another bellend while we are at it.
Can you name one leader who dealt with the Pandemic in a positive manner Steve?
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Personally, I probably wouldn't be voting Labour anyway, but don't get the angst against Jacinda, she's a PM who was reasonably competent as any, and as most of the country seemed to want Labour in power, not sure who else should of lead the party. I am a leery of Luxton only because of the shit of posting he on holiday in NZ when he was in Tahita or somewhere? I also hope they finally tell us what their policies will be and how they will pay for them, as I not sure who else I can vote for.
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@No-Quarter I like that people are predictably getting upset when it's obvious the account is taking the piss:
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I’ve principally lived in 4 countries, NZ, France, Ireland and Switzerland. Switzerland is by far and away the best managed country, Ireland the worst. NZ gives out far too much support and not nearly enough incentives. Make it attractive for the lower classes to aim for the middle class, don’t take money from the middle class to support the lower classes. It is very difficult in Switzerland to survive if you don’t want to work hard (unless you have a genuine disability etc). The country is stable, rich, prosperous and that’s because it’s well-governed.
Jacinda is viewed as a darling in Europe. As an ex-pat kiwi who sees the ridiculous cost of living in NZ compared to income, Labour has failed dismally. Admittedly some elements outside their control, notably the war in Ukraine. The fort knox approach to Covid and notably the way kiwis overseas were treated was a black mark imo.
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@Billy-Tell Honest truth mate, as a kiwi who actually lives here, while not a Labour supporter, I didn't realise I was so bad off.
And to be honest I also was happy with covid response., mind you I was in Qld during a lot of it and it was very similar to back here I discovered when I returned.
As I say I not a Labour supporter, but as Labour were voted in as happens in democracies, I not sure if anyone else in the party who would of done job any better etc. So we got what the people wanted , same as we get anywhere the people get to vote. -
Knowing sod-all about NZ politics, I can't comment on the effectiveness of her politics, apart from the suspicion she believes in a 70-80's style government-controlled economics.
From afar, I've never really warmed to her and her "look-at-me, I'm compassion & kind" image just looked contrived and manufactured to me. In many ways she reminds me of Blair or Merkel - a vote-winning leader who promises easy solutions and looks great (particularly from the outside), but people then find has left an appalling legacy for the next lot to try and fix.
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She looks really unwell. And older.
She’s done the Chinese woman transition at 60 around 20 years early. Where you go to bed with Maggie q snd wake up with Kim jong-il.
Hard not to respect her PR snd communication through shit times. But like Obama, forgot to actually do anything..
Certainly quite far from my cup of tea but I genuinely wish her well.She will be in the UN in no time.
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@Nevorian said in Jacinda resigned:
@Steve said in Jacinda resigned:
Good Riddance to her.
Hopefully Trudeau and Macron not far behind.
Their covid stance/policies were fucking despicable and they will be on the wrong side of history for sure, just like that Morrison clown in Australia.
Orwellian shite from the 4 of them over the last three years.
Dan Andrews another bellend while we are at it.
Can you name one leader who dealt with the Pandemic in a positive manner Steve?
Taneti Maamau
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@Bones said in Jacinda resigned:
@Nevorian said in Jacinda resigned:
@Steve said in Jacinda resigned:
Good Riddance to her.
Hopefully Trudeau and Macron not far behind.
Their covid stance/policies were fucking despicable and they will be on the wrong side of history for sure, just like that Morrison clown in Australia.
Orwellian shite from the 4 of them over the last three years.
Dan Andrews another bellend while we are at it.
Can you name one leader who dealt with the Pandemic in a positive manner Steve?
Taneti Maamau
It’s pretty easy to govern when you know the whole country, Bones
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@antipodean in fact the gun buyback was a knee jerk reaction that's helped nothing.