Ashes 2023
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
He definitely needs to wind his neck in.
Just a little. Find the right balance between aggression and cleverness.
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In the women's ashes at Trent Bridge the bat looks to be dominating.
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Interesting comments from Jimmy.
"This is an Ashes series. It is a big deal," Anderson wrote in his column in The Telegraph. "When you play on a flat pitch like the one at Edgbaston and take a wicket, a bit more emotion does come out because you have worked extra hard for it.
"That pitch was like kryptonite for me. There was not much swing, no reverse swing, no seam movement, no bounce and no pace. I've tried over the years to hone my skills so I can bowl in any conditions but everything I tried made no difference. I felt like I was fighting an uphill battle. It's a long series and hopefully, I can contribute at some point, but if all the pitches are like that I'm done in the Ashes series."
In full: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/the-ashes-2023-anderson-edgbaston-pitch-kryptonite-1383263
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@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
@NTA said in Ashes 2023:
Robinson is such a flog.
Is he compared to guys of the past or does social media make him seem more of one ?
Maybe everyone was a flog, but didn't have twitter to prove it?
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Some of the English comments have been incredible to read. Ollie Robinson's Wisden article is an all-timer. This part merits a mention:
Baz spoke first. He always goes first when we lose. He just said, “Lads, I’m immensely proud of the efforts that you’ve put in, we’ve made the game what it was. We were so close to pulling off an unbelievable victory. We played all the cricket in the game. If it wasn’t for us, the Australians wouldn’t have even had a chance to win.
If it wasn't for England, Australia couldn't have won. It's an odd way to look at it, even if I kind of get what he's trying to say. But he goes on:
We were surprised by how defensive Australia were and how unwilling they were to go toe-to-toe with us. Obviously it’s worked for them this Test match. But we feel that with the way they’re playing at the moment, a pitch with a bit more movement would benefit us hugely. Baz said it after the game, “It feels like we’ve won, lads.” We’ve entertained the world, and we’ve put the Aussies on the back foot.
It's funny they see Australia's unwillingness to also play Bazball as some sort of failure. To me it's actually why we won. England WANT you to play Bazball, to keep the fields up, to try and make it a sprint race. They didn't take the bait and in the end it worked for them.
Of course it sounds weird because they won it, but I think if they’re honest, Australia will look at themselves and realise they need to change their approach to keep up with how we’re going to play. If there’s any movement in the pitch at Lord’s, the way we’re playing compared to them is going to benefit us hugely.
Hang on, the ECB ordered the flat deck but now you want a green top?
I'd think Cummins, Hazelwood and Boland would go pretty well on a green top too...
I enjoy the opinion, better than the cliches etc etc. But if an Aussie cricketer wrote an article like that after a loss I'd cringe pretty hard.
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
I'd think Cummins, Hazelwood and Boland would go pretty well on a green top too...
I think Starc would fight all three of them at once to get a crack at a green pitch on the slope at Lords.
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
Some of the English comments have been incredible to read. Ollie Robinson's Wisden article is an all-timer. This part merits a mention:
Baz spoke first. He always goes first when we lose. He just said, “Lads, I’m immensely proud of the efforts that you’ve put in, we’ve made the game what it was. We were so close to pulling off an unbelievable victory. We played all the cricket in the game. If it wasn’t for us, the Australians wouldn’t have even had a chance to win.
If it wasn't for England, Australia couldn't have won. It's an odd way to look at it, even if I kind of get what he's trying to say. But he goes on:
We were surprised by how defensive Australia were and how unwilling they were to go toe-to-toe with us. Obviously it’s worked for them this Test match. But we feel that with the way they’re playing at the moment, a pitch with a bit more movement would benefit us hugely. Baz said it after the game, “It feels like we’ve won, lads.” We’ve entertained the world, and we’ve put the Aussies on the back foot.
It's funny they see Australia's unwillingness to also play Bazball as some sort of failure. To me it's actually why we won. England WANT you to play Bazball, to keep the fields up, to try and make it a sprint race. They didn't take the bait and in the end it worked for them.
Of course it sounds weird because they won it, but I think if they’re honest, Australia will look at themselves and realise they need to change their approach to keep up with how we’re going to play. If there’s any movement in the pitch at Lord’s, the way we’re playing compared to them is going to benefit us hugely.
Hang on, the ECB ordered the flat deck but now you want a green top?
I'd think Cummins, Hazelwood and Boland would go pretty well on a green top too...
I enjoy the opinion, better than the cliches etc etc. But if an Aussie cricketer wrote an article like that after a loss I'd cringe pretty hard.
With shit like that is it any wonder that as a rule people absolutely hate English sports teams ?
Christ on a bike it must be embarassing representing your country with that sort of bullshit written.
Personally I reckon England pretty much played the best they will and it’s all downhill particularly given the likelihood of Smith and Marnus both failing again are virtually nil.
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@barbarian god forbid a captain / coach tries to put positivity into his team after losing a close match in the first of 5 series.
So cringy.
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I've rewritten this to how I think it should have gone to pass the @barbaran & @MN5 seal of approval:
@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
Baz spoke first. He always goes first when we lose. He just said, “Lads, I’m immensely proud of the efforts that you’ve put in, because we are utter shit, especially compared to the Australians. We were so close to pulling off an unbelievable victory. We play such a shit brand of crickets, especially compared to the incomparable Australians. If we weren't as diabolically shit (especially compared to the Australians), the Australians wouldn’t have even had a chance for a regulation innings victory.
We were surprised by how defensive Australia were and how unwilling they were to play our completely piece of shit game that we play compared to the incredible, amazing, fantastic, joyful, world changing, life changing game that the Australians play. Obviously it’s worked for them this Test match. But we feel that with the way they’re playing at the moment, a pitch with a bit more movement would benefit us hugely. Baz said it after the game, “It feels like we’ve won, lads, because coming close is all we could ever do". I think its time to go and drink warm beer, sit under the clouds and just watch the amazing Australians now.
Of course it sounds weird because they won it, but I think if they’re honest, Australia will look at themselves and realise they should have won by an innings and 467 runs as they are that superior. If there’s any movement in the pitch at Lord’s, the way we’re playing compared to them is going to have no benefit to anybody, because we are that far behind Australia. The most awesomest cricket team in the history of the sport. God I loved Warney, what an incredible talent.
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@MajorRage said in Ashes 2023:
@barbarian god forbid a captain / coach tries to put positivity into his team after losing a close match in the first of 5 series.
So cringy.
Yeah from what I have heard that is probably Baz's gift. He fosters belief in those around him.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Ashes 2023:
@MajorRage said in Ashes 2023:
@barbarian god forbid a captain / coach tries to put positivity into his team after losing a close match in the first of 5 series.
So cringy.
Yeah from what I have heard that is probably Baz's gift. He fosters belief in those around him.
Was there in the good days and some bad days for the BCs, so knows how to chin up
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@MajorRage said in Ashes 2023:
I've rewritten this to how I think it should have gone to pass the @barbaran & @MN5 seal of approval:
@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
Baz spoke first. He always goes first when we lose. He just said, “Lads, I’m immensely proud of the efforts that you’ve put in, because we are utter shit, especially compared to the Australians. We were so close to pulling off an unbelievable victory. We play such a shit brand of crickets, especially compared to the incomparable Australians. If we weren't as diabolically shit (especially compared to the Australians), the Australians wouldn’t have even had a chance for a regulation innings victory.
We were surprised by how defensive Australia were and how unwilling they were to play our completely piece of shit game that we play compared to the incredible, amazing, fantastic, joyful, world changing, life changing game that the Australians play. Obviously it’s worked for them this Test match. But we feel that with the way they’re playing at the moment, a pitch with a bit more movement would benefit us hugely. Baz said it after the game, “It feels like we’ve won, lads, because coming close is all we could ever do". I think its time to go and drink warm beer, sit under the clouds and just watch the amazing Australians now.
Of course it sounds weird because they won it, but I think if they’re honest, Australia will look at themselves and realise they should have won by an innings and 467 runs as they are that superior. If there’s any movement in the pitch at Lord’s, the way we’re playing compared to them is going to have no benefit to anybody, because we are that far behind Australia. The most awesomest cricket team in the history of the sport. God I loved Warney, what an incredible talent.
Much better.
Australia to win 5-0.
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It's such tricky choice of which one of the Australian seamers to leave out.
I suspect Starc returns for Boland. Starc lengthens the batting a bit. His bowling seems to have pros and cons against Bazball. Starc is the mostly likely of all of the Australian attack to bowl an utterly unplayable 140kmph+ late inswinging yorker. He also seems the most likely of them to dish up something that can be deposited 20 rows back by someone batting aggressively.
