Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
If Cortez gets quick clean ball it will allow the back line to set up deeper
If they do that I can see plenty of tries coming from 1-5 phase ball
Cortez is a great bet to score.
He will be getting 20 of my hard earned quid on the nose.
He will be like Lee Harvey Oswald from the base of the ruck.
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Listening to Razor, sounded like benching TJP was more about acknowledging they can’t finish and want him there to do just that
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Aaaahhh, do we remember what TJP used to be like off the bench? Calm and measured are not words I would use.
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@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fucking chirpy for a guy with a 66% win rate, ie less than foster
I don't recall Foster starting his reign against such good sides?
If you are happy with our results more power to you.
Not what I said. I'm not happy with the results but if we are comparing ratios we should also consider the level of competition.
First Ian Foster season according to
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One year down: How Ian Foster compares to former All Blacks coaches
Analysing Ian Foster's record in 2020 compared to the first years of those before him.
50% winning percentage -
Three wins, one draw (Wallabies), two losses (Wallabies and Argentina)
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@bayimports said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Listening to Razor, sounded like benching TJP was more about acknowledging they can’t finish and want him there to do just that
I'm really surprised they'd bring his slower passing on in the last 20 or 30 minutes. Perhaps they have limited options..
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fucking chirpy for a guy with a 66% win rate, ie less than foster
I don't recall Foster starting his reign against such good sides?
If you are happy with our results more power to you.
Not perfect but we are seeing more structure and less headless chicken moments. Upward curve
The curve has been upwards since the 2nd Boks match last year. It's now flattened out and the headless chicken moments are starting to creep back in - e.g Finau's penalty.
We're really not moving forward yet and need a good win on Saturday. At least Robertson's rolled the dice - even if he has been forced to by injury.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@bayimports said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Listening to Razor, sounded like benching TJP was more about acknowledging they can’t finish and want him there to do just that
I'm really surprised they'd bring his slower passing on in the last 20 or 30 minutes. Perhaps they have limited options..
It shows how bad our depth is that the likes of Cane and Perenara are still here even though they have "handed in their notice", when you consider how Charles Piutau was axed from 2015 RWC squad for signing to go overseas.
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@Victor-Meldrew How many experienced combos do the ABs have right now?
Front row - EDG/CT/TL - TW has really pushed on. I think Samisoni is a big miss.
Locks - None
Back row - None (given Frizell is in Japan)
Halves - None
Centres - JB/RI - ALB as the support
Back 3 - MT/WJ/BB started the WC final. Add in CC and there is experience of playing together.
That is quite the gap in experience to begin from, even before looking at the lack of punch from the bench.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@bayimports said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Listening to Razor, sounded like benching TJP was more about acknowledging they can’t finish and want him there to do just that
I'm really surprised they'd bring his slower passing on in the last 20 or 30 minutes. Perhaps they have limited options..
Christie is playing for Ta$man.
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@bayimports said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Listening to Razor, sounded like benching TJP was more about acknowledging they can’t finish and want him there to do just that
I'm really surprised they'd bring his slower passing on in the last 20 or 30 minutes. Perhaps they have limited options..
It shows how bad our depth is that the likes of Cane and Perenara are still here even though they have "handed in their notice", when you consider how Charles Piutau was axed from 2015 RWC squad for signing to go overseas.
That 2015 RWC squad was one of the best we've ever had, at the top of their game. Definitely on a different part of the curve right now. I guess we can consider this a transitional year; in 2025 both TJP and Cane will be gone, if Roigard is back close to his best I expect him to be the starting 9 with Ratima on the bench. Hopefully some of the young Canes loosies like Iose and Lakai can kick on and challenge the incumbents. Frizzell should be back, we will see if he can kick on. I still want to see Sotutu given a chance to reach the required level or otherwise be found wanting, at least it will settle the matter. With Darry in, along with Scooter and Va'ai we have three decent locks. Hopefully BB will be supplanted by Love or Jordan or both, I'd still like to see if Plummer is test quality or not because I don't believe in Perofeta, and DMac has been good but not a lock at 10. Our front row stocks are okay, although Aumua needs to step it up. Over the next year or so Razor needs to work out who can hack it and if not, find others that can. RWC27 will be here before we know it
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew How many experienced combos do the ABs have right now?
Front row - EDG/CT/TL - TW has really pushed on. I think Samisoni is a big miss.
Locks - None
Back row - None (given Frizell is in Japan)
Halves - None
Centres - JB/RI - ALB as the support
Back 3 - MT/WJ/BB started the WC final. Add in CC and there is experience of playing together.
That is quite the gap in experience to begin from, even before looking at the lack of punch from the bench.
But...but...but....we have all the cattle we want.....and the great coaching set-up we all knew was needed...
But seriously, apart from 9 and maybe 6, it's pretty much the same experienced players from RWC2023 (and ironically, the problems we expected at 4/5 haven't manifested themselves). Yet virtually all the old problems are still there - consistency, poor exits, brain-farts and an inability to regroup when needed.
Here's hoping Saturday, with the forced changes, sparks something.
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@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
What's the point in having these media moments? Absolutely no insight, just platitudes.
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
What's the point in having these media moments? Absolutely no insight, just platitudes.
The personality has been drilled out of them all.
NZ rugby disappeared up its own arse a long time ago.
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Hopefully some of the young Canes loosies like Iose and Lakai can kick on and challenge the incumbents.
Do you see Iose at 6 or 8?
I understand why they didn't choose Lakai but I'm interested to see if he is an option on the bigger stage or if he would simply be not big enough-he'd bring something different to the AB loosies I reckon..if Plummer is test quality or not because I don't believe in Perofeta, and DMac has been good but not a lock at 10.
How about Perofeta at 15? He seemed ok there for the ABs I thought..
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@Billy-Webb We havent won since 2005 in Cape Town, with Willie and Pollard back I will make the All Blacks the favorites. Glad Moodie got the nod. Kitshoff, BJD & Mapimpi straight back in CC this weekend.
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@Victor-Meldrew Vaa’i has been okay but there’s no way he is doing even the little things that we were accustomed to with Retallick or Whitelock. Plus he’s still pretty green as a starter. Onwards and upwards there though.
Also McKenzie. He’s not that experienced as a starting 1st 5 and running a test team. So it’s a new 9/10 combo which as we have seen in years past - even with DC - these combos don’t just click overnight. Saw a few better things on Saturday though especially in attack from TJP (although he made some costly errors also).
We are missing Sami badly. Last year our hooker rotation was one of our better features and combinations. Add in Colesy too. Aumua is yet to hit his stride but a work in progress.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
We are missing Sami badly.
Yep That fulla was great. No nonsense and got stuck in
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@BerniesCorner Would love be able to start with Sami and bring Codie on for the business end.
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@OomPB said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Webb We havent won since 2005 in Cape Town, with Willie and Pollard back I will make the All Blacks the favorites. Glad Moodie got the nod. Kitshoff, BJD & Mapimpi straight back in CC this weekend.
Remember that game well. We had just come off the Lions tour and Matfield hit Kelleher with a big swinging arm and late. Kelleher was dazed but stayed on and threw a wild pass that was intercepted. Then he went off and we bought on a young Weepu who was only playing his second test.
Mils started on the left wing for the first (and only) time in his test career. DC had one of his worst tests too.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@OomPB said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Webb We havent won since 2005 in Cape Town, with Willie and Pollard back I will make the All Blacks the favorites. Glad Moodie got the nod. Kitshoff, BJD & Mapimpi straight back in CC this weekend.
Remember that game well. We had just come off the Lions tour and Matfield hit Kelleher with a big swinging arm and late. Kelleher was dazed but stayed on and threw a wild pass that was intercepted. Then he went off and we bought on a young Weepu who was only playing his second test.
Mils started on the left wing for the first (and only) time in his test career. DC had one of his worst tests too.
When rotation was in full swing (and worked well tbf).
Leon MacDonald started the next test between the sides in Dunedin at 10 if memory serves me right.
