Chiefs v B&I Lions
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Chiefs
1 Siegfried Fisi’ihoi, 2. Liam Polwart, 3. Nepo Laulala, 4. Dominic Bird, 5. Michael Allardice, 6. Mitchell Brown, 7. Lachlan Boshier, 8. Tom Sanders
9 Finlay Christie, 10. Stephen Donald (c), 11. Solomon Alaimalo, 12. Johnny Fa'auli, 13. Tim Nanai-Williams, 14. Toni Pulu, 15. Shaun StevensonReserves:
16 Hika Elliott, 17. Aidan Ross, 18. Atu Moli, 19. Liam Messam, 20. Mitchell Karpik, 21. Jonathan Taumateine, 22. Luteru Laulala*, 23. Chase Tiatia**Chiefs debut
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@Mokey said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
Wow. That is a surprisingly weak team. Where are the other Maori players?
Yeah. Pretty much the core of the team not there.
Dmac, Hames and Lowe were pretty poor last night but surely they are worth another go for the Chiefs.
TKB i could understand if the ABs wanted him in camp but the others plus Ngatai would make this team a whole lot stronger. -
@pukunui said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@Mokey said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
Wow. That is a surprisingly weak team. Where are the other Maori players?
Yeah. Pretty much the core of the team not there.
Dmac, Hames and Lowe were pretty poor last night but surely they are worth another go for the Chiefs.
TKB i could understand if the ABs wanted him in camp but the others plus Ngatai would make this team a whole lot stronger.Exactly. I wasn't expecting to see TKB, but not amused to see DMac, Ngatai, Lowe, Hames etc missing. Unless they are injured, they should be there. If Messam can front, so can they.
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not to mention the Maori backs did little other than drop catches/passes last night...
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B&I Lions squad:
15 Liam Williams – Scarlets, Wales, #833
14 Jack Nowell – Exeter Chiefs, England, #828
13 Jared Payne – Ulster, Ireland, #830
12 Robbie Henshaw – Leinster, Ireland, #824
11 Elliot Daly – Wasps, England, #822
10 Dan Biggar – Ospreys, Wales, #821
9 Greig Laidlaw – Gloucester Rugby, Scotland, #8101 Joe Marler – Harlequins, England, #811
2 Rory Best (c) – Ulster, Ireland, #793
3 Dan Cole – Leicester Tigers, England, #794
4 Iain Henderson – Ulster, Ireland, #808
5 Courtney Lawes – Northampton Saints, England, #826
6 James Haskell – Wasps, England, #823
7 Justin Tipuric – Ospreys, Wales, #786
8 CJ Stander – Munster, Ireland, #831Replacements:
16 Kristian Dacey – Cardiff Blues, Wales
17 Allan Dell – Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland
18 Tomas Francis – Exeter Chiefs, Wales
19 Cory Hill – Newport Gwent Dragons, Wales
20 Alun Wyn Jones – Ospreys, Wales, #761
21 Gareth Davies – Scarlets, Wales
22 Finn Russell – Glasgow Warriors, Scotland
23 Tommy Seymour – Glasgow Warriors, Scotland, #813 -
Going easy on the home town boy?
Hail the Conquering Hero Returns and all that
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Very firmly a mid-week team with only Liam Williams in with a shot of making the Test 23.
Daly and AWJ will be there, and Biggar if Farrell is injured.
Cory Hill covering second and back row.
If the Lions play as a team, and players like Nowell, Payne and Henshaw show why they were selected in the first place then this could be a comfortable win.
If players go looking for a Test spot it could unravel pretty quickly.
And there are certainly 2nd abd 3rd Test spots up for grabs.
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@MN5 said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
I'm trying really hard but I can't think of a crapper winger than Nowell.....and he's not even Welsh!
Tours are fascinating.
Remarkable how some players can go so off the boil and others come charging through.
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@MiketheSnow said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@MN5 said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
I'm trying really hard but I can't think of a crapper winger than Nowell.....and he's not even Welsh!
Tours are fascinating.
Remarkable how some players can go so off the boil and others come charging through.
Most 'experts' had Henshaw locked in for 12 but he ain't got a chance
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@MN5 said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
I'm trying really hard but I can't think of a crapper winger than Nowell.....and he's not even Welsh!
He's a lot better than he has shown on tour, but he is definitely NOT your classic winger, for one thing he doesn't have the pace at the highest level. His game is all about popping up all over the place, beating the first defender and then seeing what eventuates after that. He took a little while to find his niche with England and has benefitted under Eddie Jones who appreciates what he brings and uses it.
Having said all that, for the Lions with the short assimilation time and also the more direct way Gatland likes to play, I would have taken Johnny May in preference purely because he would fit that bit better. Oh and he does have pace.
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@MN5 said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@MiketheSnow said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@MN5 said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
I'm trying really hard but I can't think of a crapper winger than Nowell.....and he's not even Welsh!
Tours are fascinating.
Remarkable how some players can go so off the boil and others come charging through.
Most 'experts' had Henshaw locked in for 12 but he ain't got a chance
With most players getting limited game time they ahem to lay their marker down early. If for whatever reason the game goes away from you, it's a long way back. Some are lucky enough to turn things around. Look at O'Mahoney after his first game, many had written him off and now some have him as captaining the test side. Sadly for Henshaw for a number of reasons he has not been able to turn things round as yet.
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@Nepia said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
Bah, shitty team, should have let the Maori players play. Ngatai has hardly had any rugby and McKenzie and Lowe would have been fired up to improve on their Saturday performances.
Why not start Hika as well? You want some experience on a young team.
I heard Lowe and Dmac were available.
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@Toddy so is form related...
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@taniwharugby Pretty shit to get dropped on form due to performances in a scratch team, played out of position, and with a questionable gameplan. Especially Ngatai who didn't even have a bad game.
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@Catogrande said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@MN5 said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
I'm trying really hard but I can't think of a crapper winger than Nowell.....and he's not even Welsh!
He's a lot better than he has shown on tour, but he is definitely NOT your classic winger, for one thing he doesn't have the pace at the highest level. His game is all about popping up all over the place, beating the first defender and then seeing what eventuates after that. He took a little while to find his niche with England and has benefitted under Eddie Jones who appreciates what he brings and uses it.
Having said all that, for the Lions with the short assimilation time and also the more direct way Gatland likes to play, I would have taken Johnny May in preference purely because he would fit that bit better. Oh and he does have pace.
Yarde's not complaining
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@MiketheSnow said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@Catogrande said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@MN5 said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
I'm trying really hard but I can't think of a crapper winger than Nowell.....and he's not even Welsh!
He's a lot better than he has shown on tour, but he is definitely NOT your classic winger, for one thing he doesn't have the pace at the highest level. His game is all about popping up all over the place, beating the first defender and then seeing what eventuates after that. He took a little while to find his niche with England and has benefitted under Eddie Jones who appreciates what he brings and uses it.
Having said all that, for the Lions with the short assimilation time and also the more direct way Gatland likes to play, I would have taken Johnny May in preference purely because he would fit that bit better. Oh and he does have pace.
Yarde's not complaining
He always looks as though he's just about to though.
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@Catogrande said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@MiketheSnow said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@Catogrande said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@MN5 said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
I'm trying really hard but I can't think of a crapper winger than Nowell.....and he's not even Welsh!
He's a lot better than he has shown on tour, but he is definitely NOT your classic winger, for one thing he doesn't have the pace at the highest level. His game is all about popping up all over the place, beating the first defender and then seeing what eventuates after that. He took a little while to find his niche with England and has benefitted under Eddie Jones who appreciates what he brings and uses it.
Having said all that, for the Lions with the short assimilation time and also the more direct way Gatland likes to play, I would have taken Johnny May in preference purely because he would fit that bit better. Oh and he does have pace.
Yarde's not complaining
He always looks as though he's just about to though.
Still pissed off with his hairdresser
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@MiketheSnow said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@Catogrande said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@MiketheSnow said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@Catogrande said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@MN5 said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
I'm trying really hard but I can't think of a crapper winger than Nowell.....and he's not even Welsh!
He's a lot better than he has shown on tour, but he is definitely NOT your classic winger, for one thing he doesn't have the pace at the highest level. His game is all about popping up all over the place, beating the first defender and then seeing what eventuates after that. He took a little while to find his niche with England and has benefitted under Eddie Jones who appreciates what he brings and uses it.
Having said all that, for the Lions with the short assimilation time and also the more direct way Gatland likes to play, I would have taken Johnny May in preference purely because he would fit that bit better. Oh and he does have pace.
Yarde's not complaining
He always looks as though he's just about to though.
Still pissed off with his hairdresser
Wouldn't you be?
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@Stargazer said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
Chiefs team naming on Facebook at 1pm.
Facebook ? whats the world coming to ?
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@kiwiinmelb said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@Stargazer said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
Chiefs team naming on Facebook at 1pm.
Facebook ? whats the world coming to ?
Even worse, they let a 10 year old do the naming as well.
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@Nepia said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@kiwiinmelb said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@Stargazer said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
Chiefs team naming on Facebook at 1pm.
Facebook ? whats the world coming to ?
Even worse, they let a 10 year old do the naming as well.
Aah, that's so cute.
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@Stargazer said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
B&I Lions squad:
15 Liam Williams – Scarlets, Wales, #833
14 Jack Nowell – Exeter Chiefs, England, #828
13 Jared Payne – Ulster, Ireland, #830
12 Robbie Henshaw – Leinster, Ireland, #824
11 Elliot Daly – Wasps, England, #822
10 Dan Biggar – Ospreys, Wales, #821
9 Greig Laidlaw – Gloucester Rugby, Scotland, #8101 Joe Marler – Harlequins, England, #811
2 Rory Best (c) – Ulster, Ireland, #793
3 Dan Cole – Leicester Tigers, England, #794
4 Iain Henderson – Ulster, Ireland, #808
5 Courtney Lawes – Northampton Saints, England, #826
6 James Haskell – Wasps, England, #823
7 Justin Tipuric – Ospreys, Wales, #786
8 CJ Stander – Munster, Ireland, #831Replacements:
16 Kristian Dacey – Cardiff Blues, Wales
17 Allan Dell – Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland
18 Tomas Francis – Exeter Chiefs, Wales
19 Cory Hill – Newport Gwent Dragons, Wales
20 Alun Wyn Jones – Ospreys, Wales, #761
21 Gareth Davies – Scarlets, Wales
22 Finn Russell – Glasgow Warriors, Scotland
23 Tommy Seymour – Glasgow Warriors, Scotland, #813Interesting that AWJ on bench. Despite all those reinforcements they still can't rest the entire test 23! Joseph looks to be cover for for wing/centre in test 23 with Watson covering fullback.
Only intrigue is whether or not Farrell fit and whether SOB will start or be impact replacement. Owen/AWJ to be finishers -
@pakman said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@Stargazer said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
B&I Lions squad:
15 Liam Williams – Scarlets, Wales, #833
14 Jack Nowell – Exeter Chiefs, England, #828
13 Jared Payne – Ulster, Ireland, #830
12 Robbie Henshaw – Leinster, Ireland, #824
11 Elliot Daly – Wasps, England, #822
10 Dan Biggar – Ospreys, Wales, #821
9 Greig Laidlaw – Gloucester Rugby, Scotland, #8101 Joe Marler – Harlequins, England, #811
2 Rory Best (c) – Ulster, Ireland, #793
3 Dan Cole – Leicester Tigers, England, #794
4 Iain Henderson – Ulster, Ireland, #808
5 Courtney Lawes – Northampton Saints, England, #826
6 James Haskell – Wasps, England, #823
7 Justin Tipuric – Ospreys, Wales, #786
8 CJ Stander – Munster, Ireland, #831Replacements:
16 Kristian Dacey – Cardiff Blues, Wales
17 Allan Dell – Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland
18 Tomas Francis – Exeter Chiefs, Wales
19 Cory Hill – Newport Gwent Dragons, Wales
20 Alun Wyn Jones – Ospreys, Wales, #761
21 Gareth Davies – Scarlets, Wales
22 Finn Russell – Glasgow Warriors, Scotland
23 Tommy Seymour – Glasgow Warriors, Scotland, #813Interesting that AWJ on bench. Despite all those reinforcements they still can't rest the entire test 23! Joseph looks to be cover for for wing/centre in test 23 with Watson covering fullback.
Only intrigue is whether or not Farrell fit and whether SOB will start or be impact replacement. Owen/AWJ to be finishersHow does Joseph fit in to your Test backline '10'? Doesn't figure in mine. I've got Daly taking that role because I don't see Gatland dropping North even though he should.
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I must say I'd have JJ at 13, to add x-factor. Then Te'O as a finisher. But expect Gats to play it straight and go for Farrell/Te'O/Davies, with JJ bench. Still a chance of Daly or L Williams squeezing into a start if either lays down the gauntlet on Tuesday.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/93811804/lions-tour-rory-best-to-captain-second-string-lions-against-chiefs-in-final-match-before-first-test Seems Halfpenny is under some doubt because of head knock.
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DMac wasn't available for selection due to a neck injury. Rennie said he would have been on the bench otherwise.
I wasn't expecting any of the Maori players bar Elliot to be playing. Like @Nepia I would have started him, but Polwart has played ahead of Hika in recent weeks.
That's the Chiefs forward pack I was expecting to start. We've got 2 green halfbacks though, whereas last year vs Wales, Weber was in the no.9 jersey.
As a comparison this was that starting XV:
- Mitchell Graham (23)
- Rhys Marshall (30)
- Hiroshi Yamashita (7)
- Dominic Bird (5)
- Michael Allardice (17)
- Mitchell Brown*
- Lachlan Boshier (2)
- Tom Sanders (9)
- Brad Weber (36)
- Stephen Donald (87) Captain
- Sam Vaka (3)
- Andrew Horrell (53)
- Anton Lienert-Brown (18)
- Toni Pulu (7)
- James Lowe (31)
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@pakman said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
I must say I'd have JJ at 13, to add x-factor. Then Te'O as a finisher. But expect Gats to play it straight and go for Farrell/Te'O/Davies, with JJ bench. Still a chance of Daly or L Williams squeezing into a start if either lays down the gauntlet on Tuesday.
So you have a Webb, Sexton, Joseph bench?
If so, two of Daly, Watson, Williams miss out
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@MiketheSnow said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@pakman said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
I must say I'd have JJ at 13, to add x-factor. Then Te'O as a finisher. But expect Gats to play it straight and go for Farrell/Te'O/Davies, with JJ bench. Still a chance of Daly or L Williams squeezing into a start if either lays down the gauntlet on Tuesday.
So you have a Webb, Sexton, Joseph bench?
If so, two of Daly, Watson, Williams miss out
That's the way it looks. But clear that William or Daly can play their way in tomorrow. BTW am I right that North is usually a right wing: Daly and Williams usually operate on left? If so, a switch to his usual might aid things.
@MiketheSnow said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
@pakman said in Chiefs v B&I Lions:
I must say I'd have JJ at 13, to add x-factor. Then Te'O as a finisher. But expect Gats to play it straight and go for Farrell/Te'O/Davies, with JJ bench. Still a chance of Daly or L Williams squeezing into a start if either lays down the gauntlet on Tuesday.
So you have a Webb, Sexton, Joseph bench?
If so, two of Daly, Watson, Williams miss out
That's the way it looks. But clear that William or Daly can play their way in tomorrow. BTW am I right that North is usually a right wing: Daly and Williams usually operate on left? If so, a switch to his usual side might aid things.
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