BLEDISLOE 3



  • @sammyc

    Worth looking at a Cane, Todd, Read starting combo, Squire from the bench?



  • @sammyc Massively higher workrate than Squire. Watch the Maori and Blues games against the Lions.

    There's also a guy called Kaino in the squad ... he actually has a presence on defence.



  • At the risk of sounding all English media ... finally, all the off the ball shit the AB's do costs us.

    Barnes awarded two penalties against us at crucial times, both when we were in a middle of a good run, and both of needless, pointless off the ball rubbish. We take a lot of criticism from a lot of corners about the cleanest of non tacklers, past the ruck etc, and some of it is duly deserved. And today, these actions went along way to the Wallabies winning the match.

    Momentum was everything this match - we had it in the first 30 mins, then the Aussies had it the next 30. Then twice when we had it again, we were penalised for needless, stupid, pointless with no upside, off the ball crap.

    I hope this is a learning experience, and turning point.



  • @sammyc said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    @stargazer said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    Just reminding everyone. We didn't have Moody, Franks, Retallick, BB, Dagg and BFA (and Jordie). Looking at 2019, things aren't that bad if these players are available, and they keep on developing the newbies (and bringing in more & better players) to iron out the weaknesses.

    But but but ......we would have smoked them if Akira iaoane was playing apparently (despite the fact that he's a lazy piece of shit that hasn't earned his place)

    Haha lazy piece of shit. Tell us what you really think.

    What did Squire do to earn his place out of interest? Or Fifita?



  • @booboo said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    What fucks me off about this was the fucking MORONIC fucking mistakes we made.

    Time after fucking time after FUCKING time.

    Especially when we got on attack.

    Dumb

    Dumb

    Dumb

    Had the winning of that amd blew it.

    Fuck

    Didn't realise Wales were playing today



  • @majorrage said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    At the risk of sounding all English media ... finally, all the off the ball shit the AB's do costs us.

    Barnes awarded two penalties against us at crucial times, both when we were in a middle of a good run, and both of needless, pointless off the ball rubbish. We take a lot of criticism from a lot of corners about the cleanest of non tacklers, past the ruck etc, and some of it is duly deserved. And today, these actions went along way to the Wallabies winning the match.

    Momentum was everything this match - we had it in the first 30 mins, then the Aussies had it the next 30. Then twice when we had it again, we were penalised for needless, stupid, pointless with no upside, off the ball crap.

    I hope this is a learning experience, and turning point.

    Post of the Day 👏



  • @westcoastie said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    @booboo Is the difference in on-field leadership between Richie McCaw & Kieran Read starting to come through?
    Too often, we just do dumb-shit lately.
    Does Kieran just not have the Mana Richie had? hard to imagine TJP or SBW making dumb kicks if Richie was boss.
    Wonder if a few egos are a bit out of check...

    I think you’re overstating it. Plenty of dumb play under Richie’s reign. Remember all the pointless grubber kicks by MacAllister and Weepu....



  • @act-crusader True.

    But at least Luke went out of the team post 2007, and Piri sorted his shit by the 2011 RWC so alls forgiven there..



  • @majorrage said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    At the risk of sounding all English media ... finally, all the off the ball shit the AB's do costs us.

    I'm glad you said it.

    One of the issues with the interpretation of Law in Rugby is the winners-are-grinners syndrome. Get away with something for long enough, you see it as a right of sorts.

    When a ref finally pings you for it, suddenly THEY are at fault.

    Of course, the opposition has to be close enough for it to matter, which is a rare thing for the ABs of late.



  • @nta indeed ... look, it's part of the game and we aren't alone in doing it, but I do think it's crept more and more into being a decent sized part of our game.

    Barnes wasn't wrong to penalise us today, but on many other days, nothing would have been blown.

    As I said, I hope we learn from this.



  • There were always going to be scratchy performances this year with the personnel changes and young players coming in.

    But we have been here before. In 2012 after that Brisbane draw there were some signs that things weren’t right. We then went on to lose to England in a very convincing win to the Poms.

    2010 Bledisloe series seems eerily similar to this year. First Bledisloe we won convincingly and then the next three were very scratchy performances.



  • On a related matter: while this is unnecessary from Coles on Beale, there isn't much in it.

    However, Coles looks a right twat carrying on for the rest of the game with niggle.

    http://www.theroar.tv/dane-coles-knees-kurtley-beale-behind-play/?utm_source=FacebookBoost&utm_medium=RoarRugbyFB&utm_campaign=FacebookBoosting



  • More stats.





  • The sky is falling, haha
    How many losses would you guys be willing to stomach to ensure Ian Foster doesn't take over as coach?
    Well, let's keep this question for 2019, and keep the stellar record until then.

    Personally, I'd hope we lose 50% of matches in 2019, win the RWC, and do a clean sweep of the coaching team.



  • Let’s just admit it the SBW/Crotty combination is a failure and the ABs cannot be great with that combo.



  • Was hoping I was wrong , but I kinda saw that coming ,

    Wallabies are improving , they had more to play for , and ours was a bit of a thrown together team ,

    in a game where all the trophies are already put away ,it shouldnt matter , but subconsciously it always does when the chips are down ,

    But the wallabies are better , that is undeniable , which is good for rugby



  • @booboo said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    What fucks me off about this was the fucking MORONIC fucking mistakes we made.

    Time after fucking time after FUCKING time.

    Especially when we got on attack.

    Dumb

    Dumb

    Dumb

    Had the winning of that amd blew it.

    Fuck

    People are going on about the errors but the stats show Australia made twice as many errors as we did. Our handling was actually quite good. We just conceded more penalties and kicked away so much ball.



  • And missed so many more tackles too.



  • @nta said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    Was tossing up earlier today whether Barrett or Retallick was the bigger loss.

    It's actually hard to call but maybe Barrett squeaks it for the sake of execution.

    I don't think the first half plan was necessarily wrong - pin us back, kick points when available in the wet, try to build some pressure and acute a try or two. The odd contestable kick worked well.

    Just that occasionally Sopoaga didn't get it quite right, and we settled on Aaron Smith's kicks better as the game went along. And of course SBW with that.. thing at the end.

    Barrett might have given some of those through kicks just a bit more venom, or taken the line on a couple more times.

    Retallick. Barrett (lock) is miles below Retallick. Whereas the gap between Sopoaga and BB isn't as great. Maybe the selectors need to have a good look at Garden Bachop.



  • Just watched it, and fuck me that was the dumbest most stupid attacking play I’ve seen from the ABs in a long time.

    Shovelling shit ball backwards and sideways, aimless kicking, giving away really dumb penalties while on attack. And that fucking kick from Havilli when you need a try with 4 minutes to play and you’re attacking inside the 22.
    What happened to the pick and go after they used it to create the space for our first try - it was unsighted again.
    And just errors at crucial times killed our chances in that game.

    DMac’s decision making was poor at the back and really put us under pressure.

    They say defence wins matches, and the physicality we defended with should have been enough to get the job done with just a little bit of smart play. But unfortunately we so so fucking clueless when we had the ball that impressive defence was neutralised.



  • @gunner Foster.



  • Of the starting 15 last night, we were probably missing at least 6 first choice players. It has probably been awhile since we have been that short? In contrast the wallaby side was near full strength?

    1. (Moody)
    2. Coles
    3. (Franks)
    4. Whitelock
    5. (BBBR)
    6. (Kaino)
    7. Cane
    8. Read
    9. Smith
    10. (BB)
    11. Ioane
    12. SBW
    13. Crotty?
    14. (Dagg/NMS)
    15. (Smith)

    I think the game highlighted we are missing some depth at lock, 6,8,10 and the midfield just isn't clicking consistently.

    This wallaby side outplayed us and deserved to win. Plenty for the coaches to think about.



  • @chimoaus Kaino isn’t first choice, he’s been waterboy all RC.

    I know what you’re saying, but no excuses, this the the All Blacks for god sakes and I expect better!



  • @gunner said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    @chimoaus Kaino isn’t first choice, he’s been waterboy all RC.

    I know what you’re saying, but no excuses, this the the All Blacks for god sakes and I expect better!

    Yeah I agree however had he not had is affair I suspect he would have been challenging for a start. IMO he is still the better player.



  • @gunner said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    Shovelling shit ball backwards and sideways

    Yes, but sometimes that shit shoveling turns into a piece of individual brilliance and a try is scored.

    The ABs have tended to keep the ball alive instead of taking the traditionally safe option other teams might. Live by the sword etc



  • our kicking from hand was pants...how many did Folau, thier best attacking player take without needing to take more than a few steps?

    We didnt play very smart.

    Not sure if mentioned, but after Folou made what I think was his first decent break with that nice off-load, the next ruck, you see an AB player get cleaned out and both is feet were vertical way over his head as he went down, thought we'd see a bit more of that, but nothing was made of it at all.

    Thought Barnes was shit, he missed a good chunk of knock ons and er, flat passes, was one at a pivotal point where Genia picked it at the back of the ruck, bobbled it and regathered it off the back of one of his players right in front of him.

    Our attack looked very BLackadderish....



  • was that the first time they have run Cane 80?

    The impact of our subs this year has been poor, in fact you could say been a negative of our game.

    Last night 2 moments stand out, Pat T dropped one cold in the 22, and then that dumb shoulder of Ofa, one as we were building, the other with a great counter opportunity.



  • Overall disappointing result for ABS some needed to stand up and didn't. Wallabies have been building but did the game mean much?? that added motivation that counts for 1-2% that is the difference between winning and losing international matches the ABs just didn't have it.
    With a full strength Wallabies and All Blacks missing a few players it took the wallabies till the 80th to secure the game and heading into the next couple of years I still worry for them. They have relied too much on Genia (who has been awesome) Beal, Kepu, TPN, Hooper etc, these players are being played for 80 minutes every week as they have to with no other options. I fear they will be played out of form and burnt out when 2019 comes around.
    For ABS Lacked 'firepower' or xfactor. in forwards only Read and backs SBW and Naholo looked likely tonight. I know players out but Coles and Whitelock in forwards have not provided the big moments as they have in past (although still great players.) Crotty and especially Sopoaga then McKenzie when moved to 10 did not direct us around at all.
    Overall I though our D was good but our attack lacked spark and hardly ever looked dangerous. I think ABs are playing more reserved overall after being scared by linespeed that NH teams have brought, looking less likely, especially in wet conditions.



  • “Our attack looked very BLackadderish...”

    Todd or Edmund?



  • @wally Yes!



  • @98blueandgold said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    Overall I though our D was good

    There were a couple of big hits and some periods of solid work, but you did not deal with line breaks well at all.



  • @taniwharugby said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    Not sure if mentioned, but after Folou made what I think was his first decent break with that nice off-load, the next ruck, you see an AB player get cleaned out and both is feet were vertical way over his head as he went down

    Saw that. Barnes was right there and the TMO must have seen it.

    Lot of neck rolls last night too. Like the officials have forgotten about it.



  • @nta yep, were loads, in fact been a fair few in NPC in last few weeks too, like the focus has shifted.

    Just cos Barnes was right there dont mean he saw anything 😉



  • @taniwharugby he was right there when your blokes were crawling on the deck illegally as well 😉



  • @nta and when one of your wingers was held, got up and went and pulled down by the same player not letting go, but we could play this game all day! 🙂

    Face it, Barnes was shite last night, he's normally good bar the odd clanger but all round he was poor last night, I guess at least he was shite for both teams, thats ok isnt it?



  • @taniwharugby I think he relaxed some interpretations based on the conditions.

    e.g. he started the match very tough on the scrum pre-engage space, but backed off unless it was a serious collapse. A couple went to deck later but he let them play.



  • @taniwharugby said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    our kicking from hand was pants...how many did Folau, thier best attacking player take without needing to take more than a few steps?

    This, we have been punishing teams for years for their bad kicking. Last night we did what teams usually do to us, we fed their back three copious amount of uncontested ball. We basically handed over possession time and time again and it hurt us in the end via tackle count and missed tackles.



  • @nta relaxed/ignored, pretty much the same thing 🙂



  • @taniwharugby said in BLEDISLOE 3:

    was that the first time they have run Cane 80?

    Poor bastard was out on his feet, game stats say Cane made 27 tackles.

    Interestingly the highest wallaby was Mcmahon with 11.

    Squire & Whitelock made second most tackles with 15.

    Some shocking defensive stats were Crotty made 3 tackles, missed 4 and turned it over twice. And not much better attacking wise with 2 runs for 12m.


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