The Silver Fern

    • Register
    • Login
    • Search
    • Categories
    • Recent
    • Users
    • Tipping
    • Thread Topics
    • Highlights
    • Team Sheets
    • NPC Results
    • Upvote Leaderboard
        • TSF
        • Home Page
        • Browse Posts
        • Tipping
        • Tipping Home
        • Submit Your Tips
        • Current Tips
          Rugby Info
        • Team Sheets
        • Highlights
        • Rugby Results
        • AB Results
        • SR Results
        • NPC Results
          Forum Links
        • Leaderboard
        • Popular Topics
        • Topic Tags

    ABs v Scotland

    Rugby Matches
    allblacks scotland
    67
    536
    19994
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • Crucial
      Crucial last edited by Duluth

      Can we start on this one too? The midweek game is, well, a midweek game. The next test is against a sweaties team that is gaining in confidence and ability.
      Need to take this one seriously and put on a really good show for me.
      (Did I mention I am going to the game?)

      So Taylor for Coles and maybe Squire for Fifita. Other than that I don't see other changes.

      G 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • G
        Gunner @Crucial last edited by

        Hopefully we'll see Aumua and Goodhue on the bench.
        Wouldn't mind seeing Havili or Duffie get a run at fullback but can't see it happening.

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • KiwiMurph
          KiwiMurph last edited by

          Squire is starting the midweek game so unlikely he'd start the test also?

          Stargazer 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • Higgins
            Higgins last edited by

            He hasn't played for a while and probably needs the run to get him ready for Scotland.

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
            • Stargazer
              Stargazer @KiwiMurph last edited by

              @kiwimurph Will probably depend on how minutes he'll play in the midweek game.

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • MN5
                MN5 last edited by

                Scots team looking solid. Probably their most dangerous back three....well....ever ( I do get that this is a relative term ) and a solid midfield and poor man's Beauden Barrett in Finn Russell at 10. Not many hard men or ball carriers in their pack but they're definitely a team on the up.

                As per usual I'll predict a gutsy 20 point loss.

                taniwharugby 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • taniwharugby
                  taniwharugby @MN5 last edited by

                  @mn5 what is a gutsy loss? 😉

                  The French lost by 20 points, how would you describe that loss? Lucky? Unlucky? Gutsy? Typically French?

                  MN5 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 2
                  • MN5
                    MN5 @taniwharugby last edited by

                    @taniwharugby said in ABs v Scotland:

                    @mn5 what is a gutsy loss? 😉

                    The French lost by 20 points, how would you describe that loss? Lucky? Unlucky? Gutsy? Typically French?

                    Between the Black Caps and Scottish Rugby teams I get gutsy losses all year round.

                    Hooroo taniwharugby 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 3
                    • Hooroo
                      Hooroo @MN5 last edited by

                      @mn5 said in ABs v Scotland:

                      @taniwharugby said in ABs v Scotland:

                      @mn5 what is a gutsy loss? 😉

                      The French lost by 20 points, how would you describe that loss? Lucky? Unlucky? Gutsy? Typically French?

                      Between the Black Caps and Scottish Rugby teams I get gutsy losses all year round.

                      Indian ODI and T20 not excepted

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • taniwharugby
                        taniwharugby @MN5 last edited by

                        @mn5 is gutsy different to plucky, brave or courageous? Poor Celts 😉

                        MN5 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • MN5
                          MN5 @taniwharugby last edited by

                          @taniwharugby said in ABs v Scotland:

                          @mn5 is gutsy different to plucky, brave or courageous? Poor Celts 😉

                          It's all of the above but don't forget tenacious and dogged too....

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 2
                          • westcoastie
                            westcoastie last edited by westcoastie

                            Scotland 44 - Samoa 38
                            All Blacks 78 - Samoa 0.
                            'nuf said.

                            Like to see
                            Hames
                            Taylor
                            Laulala
                            Whitelock
                            Romano
                            Cane
                            Todd
                            Read
                            Smith
                            BBarrett
                            Ioane
                            Crotty
                            SBW
                            Naholo
                            Havili
                            Bench:
                            Ofa
                            Aumua (but suspect it'll be Harris)
                            Crockett
                            SBarrett
                            Squire (won't start coz playing game v French XV)
                            TKB
                            DMac
                            ALB

                            Really want Dmac to start playing the 10/15 role. If we're up by heaps with 25 to go, he can go into 10 for Beauden. Otherwise he comes on for Havili about then. And Beaudy stays at 10. All game. No more 15 for Beaudy.

                            antipodean taniwharugby 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 1
                            • antipodean
                              antipodean @westcoastie last edited by

                              @westcoastie said in ABs v Scotland:

                              Really want Dmac to start playing the 10/15 role. If we're up by heaps with 25 to go, he can go into 10 for Beauden.

                              Ahh no. He can learn to play 10 at Super level first.

                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 5
                              • taniwharugby
                                taniwharugby @westcoastie last edited by

                                @westcoastie not sure if deliberate but you have SBW/Crotty round the wrong way.

                                westcoastie 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • westcoastie
                                  westcoastie @taniwharugby last edited by westcoastie

                                  @taniwharugby said in ABs v Scotland:

                                  @westcoastie not sure if deliberate but you have SBW/Crotty round the wrong way.

                                  yup thats deliberate, I'd rather see Crotty at 12, SBW 13.

                                  @antipodean said in ABs v Scotland:

                                  @westcoastie said in ABs v Scotland:

                                  Really want Dmac to start playing the 10/15 role. If we're up by heaps with 25 to go, he can go into 10 for Beauden.

                                  Ahh no. He can learn to play 10 at Super level first.

                                  Then its Sopoaga on the bench. But I expect him to not pay this week.

                                  The selectors can afford to be a little looser with the first choice squad seeing as its just Scotland. They'll want to target the Welsh game with a statement performance.

                                  taniwharugby 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • taniwharugby
                                    taniwharugby @westcoastie last edited by taniwharugby

                                    @westcoastie if you're gonna move Crotty in, I'd be inclined to run Goodhue at 13 (or ALB obviously) dont think SBW has performed as well at 13 as he does at 12.

                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                    • dogmeat
                                      dogmeat last edited by

                                      I thought SBW/Crotty worked better than it has all season - until the obvious.

                                      Shag obviously considers the combination our best option. In which case I'm all in favour of them having as much time together as possible

                                      No Quarter 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 4
                                      • westcoastie
                                        westcoastie last edited by

                                        @dogmeat @taniwharugby
                                        If I was selector, I'd move SBW to bench. Maybe drop him for being an egg. Happy to give Goodhue a go. (although he too is playing vs French XV)
                                        yes combo did work better v French than at any other time recently.
                                        It'll end up being SBW 12, Crotty 13. But yeh, I'd like the other way around

                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • No Quarter
                                          No Quarter @dogmeat last edited by

                                          @dogmeat said in ABs v Scotland:

                                          I thought SBW/Crotty worked better than it has all season - until the obvious.

                                          Shag obviously considers the combination our best option. In which case I'm all in favour of them having as much time together as possible

                                          Agree, the SBW/Crotty combo was the highlight of the first half for me, and given the second half probably the highlight of the game bar Whitelock and Cane getting shit done on behalf of the rest of the team in the final 30 minutes.

                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 3
                                          • ACT Crusader
                                            ACT Crusader last edited by

                                            Crotty and Sonny Bill interchanged a bit in attack during the first half. It looked a bit different to what we've seen from the two.

                                            Last year we saw when Crotty and ALB combined, they interchanged a bit and it looked the goods. They combined well with Barrett as well.

                                            Crucial 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                            • Higgins
                                              Higgins last edited by

                                              The combination of Crotty/Crotty functioned impressively when it was tried for a short period.

                                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 9
                                              • Crucial
                                                Crucial @ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                @act-crusader said in ABs v Scotland:

                                                Crotty and Sonny Bill interchanged a bit in attack during the first half. It looked a bit different to what we've seen from the two.

                                                Last year we saw when Crotty and ALB combined, they interchanged a bit and it looked the goods. They combined well with Barrett as well.

                                                This is what I was talking about in another thread about how the persistence from the selectors is all around getting SBW comfortable playing a multi skilled role (eg Nonu).
                                                We saw good signs in that game especially the quality kick through for the try.

                                                Shag is not going to throw away his development plan because some reacts instinctively to a rare situation.

                                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                • taniwharugby
                                                  taniwharugby last edited by taniwharugby

                                                  people have become so blasé about when our team is named, Hansen is gonna delay it this week!

                                                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/98933295/all-blacks-delay-team-naming-pondering-final-selections-for-scotland-test

                                                  Crucial 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                                  • Crucial
                                                    Crucial @taniwharugby last edited by

                                                    @taniwharugby said in ABs v Scotland:

                                                    people have become so blasé about when our team is named, Hansen is gonna delay it this week!

                                                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/98933295/all-blacks-delay-team-naming-pondering-final-selections-for-scotland-test

                                                    My god! The fern will go into meltdown with people asking when the team will be named!

                                                    Hooroo 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 2
                                                    • Hooroo
                                                      Hooroo @Crucial last edited by

                                                      @crucial but what does it all mean??? When is the team named?

                                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                                      • dogmeat
                                                        dogmeat last edited by

                                                        and is it NZ time, Scottish time or French time - as they seem to control WR now?

                                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                        • Stargazer
                                                          Stargazer last edited by

                                                          Don't worry Ferners, the last sentence of that article says all you need to know. 🕕

                                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                          • dogmeat
                                                            dogmeat last edited by

                                                            But how do we know it's not FAKE NEWS!

                                                            Crucial 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 6
                                                            • Bovidae
                                                              Bovidae last edited by

                                                              It must be 5 am Thu somewhere!!

                                                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                              • Crucial
                                                                Crucial @dogmeat last edited by

                                                                @dogmeat said in ABs v Scotland:

                                                                But how do we know it's not FAKE NEWS!

                                                                Because @Salacious-Crumb hasnt posted a large font headline about it?

                                                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 6
                                                                • gt12
                                                                  gt12 last edited by

                                                                  Anyone think they’ll give Mo’unga a go from the bench? It would seem a good game for it, and he’s been relatively impressive so far.

                                                                  Apart from that, the only other question is whether Squire/Ioane is needed. If Read is out, Barrett to captain with Fifita, Cane, and Squire? Or, do you give Ioane his chance?

                                                                  mariner4life Bovidae 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                  • mariner4life
                                                                    mariner4life @gt12 last edited by

                                                                    @gt12 if the Scottish pack fronts up, that's a non-entity back row. Fifita isn't good enough, Squire is a downhill skier. Cane will have to do it all alone again.

                                                                    Get You-are-knee the larger in there.

                                                                    MN5 taniwharugby gt12 3 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 3
                                                                    • MN5
                                                                      MN5 @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                      @mariner4life said in ABs v Scotland:

                                                                      @gt12 if the Scottish pack fronts up, that's a non-entity back row. Fifita isn't good enough, Squire is a downhill skier. Cane will have to do it all alone again.

                                                                      Get You-are-knee the larger in there.

                                                                      The Scots back row is no great shakes either considering some of the good players they've had in the past.

                                                                      Why the Fifita hate? He's incredible with ball in hand, is he no good at his core roles?

                                                                      mariner4life 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                      • taniwharugby
                                                                        taniwharugby @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                        @mariner4life it's Yo-Arnie!

                                                                        Read will be sweet, just playing mind games to put the mighty Scots off their game.

                                                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                        • mariner4life
                                                                          mariner4life @MN5 last edited by

                                                                          @mn5 said in ABs v Scotland:

                                                                          @mariner4life said in ABs v Scotland:

                                                                          @gt12 if the Scottish pack fronts up, that's a non-entity back row. Fifita isn't good enough, Squire is a downhill skier. Cane will have to do it all alone again.

                                                                          Get You-are-knee the larger in there.

                                                                          The Scots back row is no great shakes either considering some of the good players they've had in the past.

                                                                          Why the Fifita hate? He's incredible with ball in hand, is he no good at his core roles?

                                                                          god you tick so many "fairweather, glory hunting, barely knowledgeable rugby fan" boxes.

                                                                          I'm sure his youtube highlight reel is just amazing

                                                                          MN5 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 7
                                                                          • gt12
                                                                            gt12 @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                            @mariner4life

                                                                            Fifita, Cane, Ioane could be just as problematic; two players who don’t necessarily show it via work rate. With Todd and Barrett on the bench, they’d still be two reasonable back ups available.

                                                                            For me, I’d rather give opportunities to some of the guys who had less minutes last game.

                                                                            mariner4life 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                            • mariner4life
                                                                              mariner4life @gt12 last edited by

                                                                              @gt12 I'm in the minority i know, but Barrett isn't a good enough lock, let alone blindside, to play regular test rugby.

                                                                              I love how the myth of Ioane's workrate continues. Haven't the Auckland and Blues guys dispelled that enough. Certainly whenever I've watched him in big games he's got through a shit ton of work. And been effective.

                                                                              And i would have cut Fifita first, not Squire.

                                                                              mimic taniwharugby 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 6
                                                                              • MN5
                                                                                MN5 @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                                @mariner4life said in ABs v Scotland:

                                                                                @mn5 said in ABs v Scotland:

                                                                                @mariner4life said in ABs v Scotland:

                                                                                @gt12 if the Scottish pack fronts up, that's a non-entity back row. Fifita isn't good enough, Squire is a downhill skier. Cane will have to do it all alone again.

                                                                                Get You-are-knee the larger in there.

                                                                                The Scots back row is no great shakes either considering some of the good players they've had in the past.

                                                                                Why the Fifita hate? He's incredible with ball in hand, is he no good at his core roles?

                                                                                god you tick so many "fairweather, glory hunting, barely knowledgeable rugby fan" boxes.

                                                                                I'm sure his youtube highlight reel is just amazing

                                                                                Well yeah that's why I asked. My days of watching rugby every day are well and truly over. Luckily you guys have the time and inclination.

                                                                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                • mimic
                                                                                  mimic @mariner4life last edited by mimic

                                                                                  @mariner4life said in ABs v Scotland:

                                                                                  @gt12 I'm in the minority i know, but Barrett isn't a good enough lock, let alone blindside, to play regular test rugby.

                                                                                  I love how the myth of Ioane's workrate continues. Haven't the Auckland and Blues guys dispelled that enough. Certainly whenever I've watched him in big games he's got through a shit ton of work. And been effective.

                                                                                  And i would have cut Fifita first, not Squire.

                                                                                  First impressions last I guess. It was one of his work ons, and it seems he has improved on it for him to get the call up ahead of Luke.

                                                                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                  • taniwharugby
                                                                                    taniwharugby @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                                    @mariner4life Squire was sick wasn't he, so not dropped?

                                                                                    I think Fifita is better coming off the bench, but it does create an issue if Read is out, does Luke get the nod as the only other out and out 8?

                                                                                    could go with Cane, Todd & Savea to take the piss haha

                                                                                    mariner4life antipodean 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                    • First post
                                                                                      Last post