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    Springboks v England - Test #1

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    • Stargazer
      Stargazer last edited by

      Springboks

      15 Willie le Roux (Wasps, England, 41, 50 – 10t)
      14S’busiso Nkosi (Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
      13 Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks, 1, 0)
      12 Damian de Allende (DHL Stormers, 28, 15 – 3t)
      11 Aphiwe Dyantyi (Emirates Lions, uncapped)
      10 Handré Pollard (Vodacom Bulls, 26, 218 – 3t, 37c, 40p, 3d)
      9 Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks, England, 11, 0)
      8 Duane Vermeulen (Unattached, 39, 10 – 2t)
      7 Jean-Luc du Preez (Cell C Sharks, 10, 10 – 2t)
      6 Siya Kolisi captain (DHL Stormers, 28, 20 – 4t)
      5 Franco Mostert (Emirates Lions, 18, 5 – 1t)
      4 RG Snyman (Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
      3 Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls 36, 5 – 1t) / Wilco Louw (DHL Stormers, 6, 0)
      2 Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers, 14, 5 – 1t)
      1 Tendai Mtawarira (Cell C Sharks, 98, 10, 2 – 1t)

      Replacements:
      16 Akker van der Merwe (Cell C Sharks, 1, 0)
      17 Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers, 24, 5 – 1t)
      18 Wilco Louw (DHL Stormers, 6, 0) / Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks, 1, 0)
      19 Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers, 33, 20 – 4t)
      20 Sikhumbuzo Notshe (DHL Stormers, 1, 0)
      21 Ivan van Zyl (Vodacom Bulls, 1, 0)
      22 Elton Jantjies (Emirates Lions, 24, 210 – 2t, 40c, 40p)
      23 Warrick Gelant (Vodacom Bulls, 2, 5 – 1t)

      Oops! | SA Rugby
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      • KiwiMurph
        KiwiMurph last edited by

        O'Keeffe as ref....what could go wrong...

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        • Stargazer
          Stargazer last edited by

          England

          15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 18 caps), 14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 34 caps), 13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 10 caps), 12 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 58 caps), 11 Mike Brown (Harlequins, 69 caps), 10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 45 caps), 9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 74 caps); 1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 49 caps), 2 Jamie George (Saracens, 25 caps), 3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 10 caps), 4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 19 caps), 5 Nick Isiekwe (Saracens, 2 caps), 6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, 64 caps), 7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 1 cap), 8 Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 34 caps).

          Reserves:

          16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 5 caps), 17 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 56 caps), 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 8 caps), 19 Brad Shields (Hurricanes/ Wasps, 0 caps), 20 Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 14 caps), 21 Ben Spencer (Saracens, 0 caps), 22 Piers Francis (Northampton Saints, 3 caps), 23 Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks, 2 caps).

          RFU
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          • Catogrande
            Catogrande @Stargazer last edited by

            @stargazer said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

            England

            15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 18 caps), 14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 34 caps), 13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 10 caps), 12 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 58 caps), 11 Mike Brown (Harlequins, 69 caps), 10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 45 caps), 9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 74 caps); 1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 49 caps), 2 Jamie George (Saracens, 25 caps), 3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 10 caps), 4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 19 caps), 5 Nick Isiekwe (Saracens, 2 caps), 6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, 64 caps), 7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 1 cap), 8 Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 34 caps).

            Reserves:

            16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 5 caps), 17 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 56 caps), 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 8 caps), 19 Brad Shields (Hurricanes/ Wasps, 0 caps), 20 Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 14 caps), 21 Ben Spencer (Saracens, 0 caps), 22 Piers Francis (Northampton Saints, 3 caps), 23 Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks, 2 caps).

            RFU

            Midfield looks a bit lightweight, although I rate all three individually. Back row has more balance with Curry at 7 but if he gets injured we have lost the only bit of pace available to us there. I don't see the rationale for Brown on the wing. He's either at 15 or he is not in the mix for me.

            Francis on the bench seems to cover 10,12 and 13 but we've already got three blokes on the filed that do the same thing so not sure about that one. I would think the only way we could mix things up would to bring Solomona on, move Brown to full back and add Daly in at 13. That seems a lot of unnecessary juggling to me.

            Not feeling confident.

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            • Catogrande
              Catogrande last edited by

              Oh and no lock cover on the bench?

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              • Sapetyvi
                Sapetyvi @Catogrande last edited by

                @catogrande So it is either Hughes or Shields at lock if either of the starters go down. Color me unconvinced.

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                • Catogrande
                  Catogrande @Sapetyvi last edited by

                  @sapetyvi said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                  @catogrande So it is either Hughes or Shields at lock if either of the starters go down. Color me unconvinced.

                  Agreed.

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                  • Crucial
                    Crucial last edited by

                    What was the point of taking Cipriani on tour if you are going to have Piers Francis on the bench?

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                    • MiketheSnow
                      MiketheSnow last edited by

                      Brown must have photos

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                      • nzzp
                        nzzp @Crucial last edited by

                        @crucial said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                        What was the point of taking Cipriani on tour if you are going to have Piers Francis on the bench?

                        Well done to Piers, but he's not exactly a world beater. Solid but unspectacular at the Blues

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                        • taniwharugby
                          taniwharugby last edited by

                          so England shooting for 5 in a row!

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                          • Hooroo
                            Hooroo last edited by

                            I think England will do South Africa

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                            • taniwharugby
                              taniwharugby @Hooroo last edited by

                              @hooroo couple of betting agencies have SA @ ~1.60-1.70 and England ~2.20-2.25

                              will be an interesting game, not sure it will tell us a great deal though.

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                              • Rapido
                                Rapido last edited by

                                SAF don't look as good as I was expecting. On Paper.

                                5, 4, 3, 2 would be a worry?

                                Although I don't have name-recognition yet with the young black-african outside backs.

                                Eddie with a master-stroke of deflection. No one will be paying Shields' selection attention anymore. It's all WTF is Brown doing on the wing.

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                                • JK
                                  JK @taniwharugby last edited by

                                  @taniwharugby said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                  @hooroo couple of betting agencies have SA @ ~1.60-1.70 and England ~2.20-2.25

                                  will be an interesting game, not sure it will tell us a great deal though.

                                  Might have to get me some of that!

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                                  • antipodean
                                    antipodean @Rapido last edited by

                                    @rapido said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                    SAF don't look as good as I was expecting. On Paper.
                                    5, 4, 3, 2 would be a worry?

                                    You're ignoring the elephant; Willie le Roux to do something dumb.

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                                    • Stargazer
                                      Stargazer last edited by

                                      I'm looking forward to watching Nkosi and Gelant. Very inexperienced, but both looked classy in Super Rugby. The big question - as with any new player - is whether they can do the same tricks at test level.

                                      I hope Pollard can stay injury free; there's so much daylight between him and Jantjies, who I don't rate at all.
                                      Van Zyl, apart from his name, I can't remember him from SR, but I'm not a fan of Faf de Klerk, so that will interesting.

                                      The Springboks will miss Marx.

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                                      • PN
                                        PN @Rapido last edited by

                                        @rapido said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                        SAF don't look as good as I was expecting. On Paper.

                                        5, 4, 3, 2 would be a worry?

                                        I think Rassie will be suicidal to not put Louw on at 3. Mostert at 5 isnt terrible. Bongi at hooker gives away 25kg+ and 10cm to Both Marx and Bismark. Hell Bongi couldnt even find a starting berth at the Stormers the whole season 🤣

                                        Gelant to be a bok 15 for a while to come IMO, I suspect Rassie is just looking for some experience in that backline for now.

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                                        • PN
                                          PN last edited by PN

                                          Bakkies posing for a photo with the u/20 bokke

                                          It's funny how the lock one step up behind him, RG Snyman, had to move to the side to get in the shot.

                                          :::

                                          Spoiler: this is not the u/20 bok team.

                                          :::

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                                          • Kruse
                                            Kruse last edited by

                                            Nobody watching this?
                                            3-24 England after about 20
                                            Now, 22-24,
                                            Pommy Shields already on the field.

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                                            • Sapetyvi
                                              Sapetyvi @Kruse last edited by

                                              @kruse And at lock, all South Africa for the past 15-20mins

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                                              • Sapetyvi
                                                Sapetyvi last edited by

                                                England In the ropes now, 27-24 kick to come. Cmon saffa keep them under the pump

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                                                • Kruse
                                                  Kruse last edited by

                                                  Yeah, another try... weird first half.
                                                  Q1... 3-24
                                                  Q2... 26-3

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                                                  • Kruse
                                                    Kruse @Sapetyvi last edited by

                                                    @sapetyvi said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                                    @kruse And at lock, all South Africa for the past 15-20mins

                                                    Did the turnaround coincide with Shields?
                                                    Best saboteur ever?

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                                                    • PN
                                                      PN last edited by

                                                      Never known the boks to be able to chase down a big score. Game isn't over yet but coming back from the dead has been impressive.

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                                                      • Billy Tell
                                                        Billy Tell last edited by

                                                        That was a cripple fight between defensive retards.

                                                        Vomited a little when I saw Brad "English" Shields heading out.

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                                                        • Kruse
                                                          Kruse @Billy Tell last edited by

                                                          @billy-tell said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                                          That was a cripple fight between defensive retards.

                                                          Vomited a little when I saw Brad "English" Shields heading out.

                                                          I was thinking Nikosi (? Bok14) was pretty much going to butcher everything and anything that looked like a try.
                                                          Nek Minnut...
                                                          (Daly ups the ante in ”I'm more incompetent than you“)
                                                          2 tries

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                                                          • Sapetyvi
                                                            Sapetyvi @Kruse last edited by

                                                            @kruse said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                                            @sapetyvi said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                                            @kruse And at lock, all South Africa for the past 15-20mins

                                                            Did the turnaround coincide with Shields?
                                                            Best saboteur ever?

                                                            Haha, the downfall started earlier I think.
                                                            Looks like a barbarians game, nice tries but some questionable defence too

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                                                            • ShadowTrooper
                                                              ShadowTrooper last edited by

                                                              Shields has been about as much use to the England pack as a chocolate teapot

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                                                              • Kruse
                                                                Kruse @ShadowTrooper last edited by Kruse

                                                                @shadowtrooper said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                                                Shields has been about as much use to the England pack as a chocolate teapot

                                                                I saw him make a tackle earlier.
                                                                Not many chocolate teapots could do that. (although, he did have help)

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                                                                • Kruse
                                                                  Kruse @Kruse last edited by

                                                                  @kruse said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                                                  Q1... 3-24
                                                                  Q2... 26-3

                                                                  Q3... 3-0

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                                                                  • J
                                                                    junior last edited by

                                                                    Mako in the bin for a late hit. England handing this match to SA

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                                                                    • J
                                                                      junior @junior last edited by

                                                                      @junior and SA follow up with a quick try

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                                                                      • D
                                                                        Derm McCrum last edited by

                                                                        Well I thought Ireland were poor but...

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                                                                        • MiketheSnow
                                                                          MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                                          Great contest for the (not so) neutral 😉😁

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                                                                          • Kruse
                                                                            Kruse @Kruse last edited by

                                                                            @kruse said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                                                            @kruse said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                                                            Q1... 3-24
                                                                            Q2... 26-3
                                                                            Q3... 3-0

                                                                            Q4... 10-12

                                                                            Fucked up game.

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                                                                            • Billy Tell
                                                                              Billy Tell last edited by

                                                                              I miss the days when the SH would clean-sweep June international Saturdays.

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                                                                              • MiketheSnow
                                                                                MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                                                Five in a row for Eddie.

                                                                                SA almost threw that away.

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                                                                                • Crucial
                                                                                  Crucial @MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                                                  @mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                                                                  Five in a row for Eddie.

                                                                                  SA almost threw that away.

                                                                                  Some dumb play in the last 5 for sure. Twice they got turnovers and gave it straight back instead of eating time. The second time was worse because they should have realised they created a broken situation which England scored from.

                                                                                  Enjoyable game to have on in the background here in the UK listening to the ebb and flow of the condescending commentators.

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                                                                                  • Machpants
                                                                                    Machpants @Billy Tell last edited by Machpants

                                                                                    @billy-tell said in Springboks v England - Test #1:

                                                                                    I miss the days when the SH would clean-sweep June international Saturdays.

                                                                                    That's what we've done so far, esp if you count Japan with one of us vs 6 nations Italy! Now can argy hold up their end?

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