Springboks v England - Test #1
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Springboks
15 Willie le Roux (Wasps, England, 41, 50 – 10t)
14S’busiso Nkosi (Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
13 Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks, 1, 0)
12 Damian de Allende (DHL Stormers, 28, 15 – 3t)
11 Aphiwe Dyantyi (Emirates Lions, uncapped)
10 Handré Pollard (Vodacom Bulls, 26, 218 – 3t, 37c, 40p, 3d)
9 Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks, England, 11, 0)
8 Duane Vermeulen (Unattached, 39, 10 – 2t)
7 Jean-Luc du Preez (Cell C Sharks, 10, 10 – 2t)
6 Siya Kolisi captain (DHL Stormers, 28, 20 – 4t)
5 Franco Mostert (Emirates Lions, 18, 5 – 1t)
4 RG Snyman (Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
3 Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls 36, 5 – 1t) / Wilco Louw (DHL Stormers, 6, 0)
2 Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers, 14, 5 – 1t)
1 Tendai Mtawarira (Cell C Sharks, 98, 10, 2 – 1t)Replacements:
16 Akker van der Merwe (Cell C Sharks, 1, 0)
17 Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers, 24, 5 – 1t)
18 Wilco Louw (DHL Stormers, 6, 0) / Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks, 1, 0)
19 Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers, 33, 20 – 4t)
20 Sikhumbuzo Notshe (DHL Stormers, 1, 0)
21 Ivan van Zyl (Vodacom Bulls, 1, 0)
22 Elton Jantjies (Emirates Lions, 24, 210 – 2t, 40c, 40p)
23 Warrick Gelant (Vodacom Bulls, 2, 5 – 1t) -
O'Keeffe as ref....what could go wrong...
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England
15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 18 caps), 14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 34 caps), 13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 10 caps), 12 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 58 caps), 11 Mike Brown (Harlequins, 69 caps), 10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 45 caps), 9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 74 caps); 1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 49 caps), 2 Jamie George (Saracens, 25 caps), 3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 10 caps), 4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 19 caps), 5 Nick Isiekwe (Saracens, 2 caps), 6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, 64 caps), 7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 1 cap), 8 Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 34 caps).
Reserves:
16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 5 caps), 17 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 56 caps), 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 8 caps), 19 Brad Shields (Hurricanes/ Wasps, 0 caps), 20 Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 14 caps), 21 Ben Spencer (Saracens, 0 caps), 22 Piers Francis (Northampton Saints, 3 caps), 23 Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks, 2 caps).
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@stargazer said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
England
15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 18 caps), 14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 34 caps), 13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 10 caps), 12 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 58 caps), 11 Mike Brown (Harlequins, 69 caps), 10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 45 caps), 9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 74 caps); 1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 49 caps), 2 Jamie George (Saracens, 25 caps), 3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 10 caps), 4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 19 caps), 5 Nick Isiekwe (Saracens, 2 caps), 6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, 64 caps), 7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 1 cap), 8 Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 34 caps).
Reserves:
16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 5 caps), 17 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 56 caps), 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 8 caps), 19 Brad Shields (Hurricanes/ Wasps, 0 caps), 20 Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 14 caps), 21 Ben Spencer (Saracens, 0 caps), 22 Piers Francis (Northampton Saints, 3 caps), 23 Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks, 2 caps).
Midfield looks a bit lightweight, although I rate all three individually. Back row has more balance with Curry at 7 but if he gets injured we have lost the only bit of pace available to us there. I don't see the rationale for Brown on the wing. He's either at 15 or he is not in the mix for me.
Francis on the bench seems to cover 10,12 and 13 but we've already got three blokes on the filed that do the same thing so not sure about that one. I would think the only way we could mix things up would to bring Solomona on, move Brown to full back and add Daly in at 13. That seems a lot of unnecessary juggling to me.
Not feeling confident.
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Oh and no lock cover on the bench?
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@catogrande So it is either Hughes or Shields at lock if either of the starters go down. Color me unconvinced.
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@sapetyvi said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
@catogrande So it is either Hughes or Shields at lock if either of the starters go down. Color me unconvinced.
Agreed.
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What was the point of taking Cipriani on tour if you are going to have Piers Francis on the bench?
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Brown must have photos
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@crucial said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
What was the point of taking Cipriani on tour if you are going to have Piers Francis on the bench?
Well done to Piers, but he's not exactly a world beater. Solid but unspectacular at the Blues
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so England shooting for 5 in a row!
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I think England will do South Africa
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@hooroo couple of betting agencies have SA @ ~1.60-1.70 and England ~2.20-2.25
will be an interesting game, not sure it will tell us a great deal though.
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SAF don't look as good as I was expecting. On Paper.
5, 4, 3, 2 would be a worry?
Although I don't have name-recognition yet with the young black-african outside backs.
Eddie with a master-stroke of deflection. No one will be paying Shields' selection attention anymore. It's all WTF is Brown doing on the wing.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
@hooroo couple of betting agencies have SA @ ~1.60-1.70 and England ~2.20-2.25
will be an interesting game, not sure it will tell us a great deal though.
Might have to get me some of that!
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@rapido said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
SAF don't look as good as I was expecting. On Paper.
5, 4, 3, 2 would be a worry?You're ignoring the elephant; Willie le Roux to do something dumb.
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I'm looking forward to watching Nkosi and Gelant. Very inexperienced, but both looked classy in Super Rugby. The big question - as with any new player - is whether they can do the same tricks at test level.
I hope Pollard can stay injury free; there's so much daylight between him and Jantjies, who I don't rate at all.
Van Zyl, apart from his name, I can't remember him from SR, but I'm not a fan of Faf de Klerk, so that will interesting.The Springboks will miss Marx.
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@rapido said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
SAF don't look as good as I was expecting. On Paper.
5, 4, 3, 2 would be a worry?
I think Rassie will be suicidal to not put Louw on at 3. Mostert at 5 isnt terrible. Bongi at hooker gives away 25kg+ and 10cm to Both Marx and Bismark. Hell Bongi couldnt even find a starting berth at the Stormers the whole season
Gelant to be a bok 15 for a while to come IMO, I suspect Rassie is just looking for some experience in that backline for now.
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Nobody watching this?
3-24 England after about 20
Now, 22-24,
Pommy Shields already on the field. -
@kruse And at lock, all South Africa for the past 15-20mins
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England In the ropes now, 27-24 kick to come. Cmon saffa keep them under the pump
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Yeah, another try... weird first half.
Q1... 3-24
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@sapetyvi said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
@kruse And at lock, all South Africa for the past 15-20mins
Did the turnaround coincide with Shields?
Best saboteur ever? -
Never known the boks to be able to chase down a big score. Game isn't over yet but coming back from the dead has been impressive.
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That was a cripple fight between defensive retards.
Vomited a little when I saw Brad "English" Shields heading out.
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@billy-tell said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
That was a cripple fight between defensive retards.
Vomited a little when I saw Brad "English" Shields heading out.
I was thinking Nikosi (? Bok14) was pretty much going to butcher everything and anything that looked like a try.
Nek Minnut...
(Daly ups the ante in ”I'm more incompetent than you“)
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@kruse said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
@sapetyvi said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
@kruse And at lock, all South Africa for the past 15-20mins
Did the turnaround coincide with Shields?
Best saboteur ever?Haha, the downfall started earlier I think.
Looks like a barbarians game, nice tries but some questionable defence too -
Shields has been about as much use to the England pack as a chocolate teapot
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@shadowtrooper said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
Shields has been about as much use to the England pack as a chocolate teapot
I saw him make a tackle earlier.
Not many chocolate teapots could do that. (although, he did have help) -
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Mako in the bin for a late hit. England handing this match to SA
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@junior and SA follow up with a quick try
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Well I thought Ireland were poor but...
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Great contest for the (not so) neutral 😉😁
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@kruse said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
@kruse said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
Q1... 3-24
Q2... 26-3
Q3... 3-0Q4... 10-12
Fucked up game.
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I miss the days when the SH would clean-sweep June international Saturdays.
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Five in a row for Eddie.
SA almost threw that away.
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
Five in a row for Eddie.
SA almost threw that away.
Some dumb play in the last 5 for sure. Twice they got turnovers and gave it straight back instead of eating time. The second time was worse because they should have realised they created a broken situation which England scored from.
Enjoyable game to have on in the background here in the UK listening to the ebb and flow of the condescending commentators.
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@billy-tell said in Springboks v England - Test #1:
I miss the days when the SH would clean-sweep June international Saturdays.
That's what we've done so far, esp if you count Japan with one of us vs 6 nations Italy! Now can argy hold up their end?
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