Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?
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Want: Vern Cotter - like @nepia I also have a very long memory and voted accordingly.
Want and much more likely: Scott Robertson - Mount Maunganui College's finest.
Would be very happy with but not expecting: Joe Schmidt
Expect: Foster....................
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Schmidt/Cotter ticket. For all the same reasons the Cartel worked both have resumes worthy of AB coach, but without any ego/ambition concerns given their working relationship. Could also see an overqualified third assistant agreeing to work under them from past connections.
Not averse to Robertson being an assistant, but unsure what argument you could make for him being head coach that if being consistant doesn't make Rennie the stronger candidate from that list.
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I want Schmidt, but don't think he'll be available sadly. Not Razor as he needs more experience, and maybe some adversity too.
@virgil said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
If Steve Hansen could join the Fern and vote here i doubt even he would vote for Foster..
Is Steve banned from joining?
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@machpants said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
I want Schmidt, but don't think he'll be available sadly. Not Razor as he needs more experience, and maybe some adversity too.
@virgil said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
If Steve Hansen could join the Fern and vote here i doubt even he would vote for Foster..
Is Steve banned from joining?
A ban from @Kirwan until he picks Akira.
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@machpants said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Is Steve banned from joining?
- No one would believe who he was
- We'd rebut his rugby knowledge and ask how the hell he knows anything, when some of our posters have breakfasts with All Blacks ona regular basis
- He'd be called arrogant for defending his record, refusing to sack Kieran and not picking Akira
- We'd eventually figure out who he was as the only one to point out FOssie's contribution, but
- He'd be banned for not spelling Reiko correctly
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I voted for ROG with Eddie Jones as his assistant - an exciting combo that should keep yiz busy for a few years.
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Noting that Schmidt is unavailable, I voted for Rennie. But that is more a best of the rest vote, because I see Robertson as a future AB coach for sure, but not quite yet. More Super experience, then an assistant AB role to start.
Foster, Deans, Joseph - no thanks. And given what a twat Gatland was last time he was in the country, I don't know how well he would slip into the role.
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@derm-mccrum whats BOD upto, go the trifecta!
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@frank said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Voted for Scott Robertson.
He seems a good bugger and it would piss Nepia off.I picked him as one my 'two' head coaches ya bloody dipshit
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I like Robertson, a real breath of fresh air and so far has the results to back him up.
Otherwise would be happy with Rennie.
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@frank said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Robertson will give some bloody funny interviews and I am looking forward to him breaking his hip trying to breakdance after he wins the 2024 World Cup
what sport?
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NOT Foster. I'm a f**cking Waikato boy as well. Anyone else. Anyone.
Schmidt. Rennie. Robertson. In that order, but not hugely fussed.
But NOT Foster. I've enjoyed the last decades of AB dominance, and want it to continue.
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@nepia said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Want: Rennie and Robertson combo, I don't mind who is head coach.
Expect: Foster.
Don't really want despite the hype (because I have an elephant memory when I feel like it): Schmidt.
Edit: As I could only have one vote I picked Rennie.
I agree on all counts, the Chiefs in 2012/2013 and then Crusaders in 2017/2018 showed clear signs of superb coaching, and both had tremendous success with NZ U20s to boot
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Razor with Sir R Deans in the Fox role as selector
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Joe Schmidt (or Warren Gatland if he is unavailable) as Head Coach. They coach the international teams ranked two and three in the world so they know what they are doing.
In terms of assistants, Greg Feek looking after the Forwards, Scott Robertson looking after the breakdown and the defence, Ian Foster coaching the backs. Grant Fox to stay as a selector.
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Razor.
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@sparky said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Joe Schmidt (or Warren Gatland if he is unavailable) as Head Coach. They coach the international teams ranked two and three in the world so they know what they are doing.
In terms of assistants, Greg Feek looking after the Forwards, Scott Robertson looking after the breakdown and the defence, Ian Foster coaching the backs. Grant Fox to stay as a selector.
I agree. Razor is the future but the head coach of a top tier test team is more about man management and overseeing the big picture than actual coaching. He needs the experience that Schmidt and Gatland have
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I haven't voted as unless something calamitous happens in Japan I'm certain it will be Foster. I can also find reasons not to pick any of the other contenders.
It does remind me of the collective Fern wisdom from 8 years ago. Hansen's going to be a disaster. He has no real head coaching experience apart from Wales and look how they went under him. He fucked up everything he touched in the AB's was just lucky to have Henry and Smith to tidy up after him. The media will destroy him. He has no personality. He'll undo all the good work of the last 4 years.......
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@rotated said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@tordah said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
and both had tremendous success with NZ U20s to boot
The 2016 Under 20's World Cup effort was the worst performance by one of our men's XVs at an IRB event.
Yep. Rennie was 3/3 with the U20s. Robertson is 1/2 and that 2016 U20s were terrible.
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@kirwan said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
If Schmit is unavailable then I’d go Robertson. Has had success at each level he’s had, and Blackadder showed that wasn’t a slam dunk just cause Crusaders.
Rennie without Wayne Smith would be a risk IMO.
Don’t want Gatland anywhere near the ABs.
This. I do wonder if Rennie and Robertson could be a good combo.
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@dogmeat said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
It does remind me of the collective Fern wisdom from 8 years ago. Hansen's going to be a disaster. He has no real head coaching experience apart from Wales and look how they went under him. He fucked up everything he touched in the AB's was just lucky to have Henry and Smith to tidy up after him. The media will destroy him. He has no personality. He'll undo all the good work of the last 4 years.......
To be fair in 2011 we didn't have the foresight that the the entire leadership group would kick on for the next four years, relatively injury free and playing consistently a high level.
After the final whistle at Eden Park McCaw needed major foot surgery, Carter had just torn his ACL which is career-altering and with the Euros were being thrown around it wouldn't have been a shock to see the midfield get broken up. In the end they all stayed and exceeded most expectations, and then Wayne Smith came back when it mattered.
If Japan goes pear shaped the post 2015 era will be looked at in retrospect as being a very average one which should have been a lot worse if Australia had their act together.
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@rotated said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@dogmeat said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
It does remind me of the collective Fern wisdom from 8 years ago. Hansen's going to be a disaster. He has no real head coaching experience apart from Wales and look how they went under him. He fucked up everything he touched in the AB's was just lucky to have Henry and Smith to tidy up after him. The media will destroy him. He has no personality. He'll undo all the good work of the last 4 years.......
To be fair in 2011 we didn't have the foresight that the the entire leadership group would kick on for the next four years, relatively injury free and playing consistently a high level.
After the final whistle at Eden Park McCaw needed major foot surgery, Carter had just torn his ACL which is career-altering and with the Euros were being thrown around it wouldn't have been a shock to see the midfield get broken up. In the end they all stayed and exceeded most expectations, and then Wayne Smith came back when it mattered.
If Japan goes pear shaped the post 2015 era will be looked at in retrospect as being a very average one which should have been a lot worse if Australia had their act together.
That a bit harsh isn't it? A quick look on ABs.com gives the following stats
2016-2018
Played 42
Won 36
Lost 5
Drew 1Win % 85.7%
Compare that to the career win percentages of all the AB coaches in the RWC era
Sir Brian Lochore 1985–87 18 14 1 3 77.8%
Alex Wyllie 1988–91 29 25 1 3 86.2%
Laurie Mains 1992–95 34 23 1 10 67.6%
John Hart 1996–99 41 31 1 9 75.6%
Wayne Smith 2000–01 17 12 0 5 70.6%
John Mitchell[170] 2002–03 28 23 1 4 82.1%
Sir Graham Henry[171] 2004–11 103 88 0 15 85.4%
Steve Hansen 2012– 95 84 3 8 88.4%So Hansen's % in the post 2015 era is still higher than the rest of the group. I believe it is unfair to judge him based on whether he wins the RWC or not, only 3 coaches on that list (including the man himself) have coached a winning RWC AB team
