CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England
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@Siam said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
Must say I think kane is a good skipper, and his performance in all matters has been exemplary.
Maybe not though? I mean he’s first name down as a player but does this gloss over the fact he’s not that good?
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Does anyone have any general insight into Stead's character type? McCullum and Hesson seemed be be perfect foils for each other as a captain and coaching duo. I only have a vague impression of Stead from what I remember of his playing days tho.
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We have so many batting weak spots that only a miracle can save us:
- Guptill out of form
- Munro who was never good enough at this level
- Latham out of form
- de Grandhomme whose strike rate is low
In both the batting and bowling we have not rotated so injuries or form have left us with players coming in cold.
We seem to lack aggression in our game plans - Coaching or Captaincy?
Watched Southee last night and he was short a trot. But I think his role should be changed. The white balls don’t swing any more and he is not fast enough to take wickets with aggressive bowling on roads. The runs he concedes come from his bouncers or variations. Get back to bowling good lengths, one side of the wicket, the odd slower ball and yorkers. His last 3 overs were pretty good - with his last over, particularly good and full of accurate yorkers. He has been a fabulous bowler, just think the tactics for him at this stage of his career are wrong.
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Kane is a super calm, quiet captain who absolutely leads from the front. Which would be great if his senior players didn't keep letting him down. This tournament has been so incredibly frustrating, because so often it's been the experienced guys who have been shit. Guptill, Latham, glaring at you. Munro is a stopgap opener. Nicholls was managed VERY poorly. Blundell never even got a chance with the gloves or bat, despite Latham being average. The stat of us having the lowest runs by the openers should be a five alarm bell ringer.
In all honesty, Kane and Neesham have been the standouts. Honourable mention to Lockie. Boult on occasion, but he has been a lot quieter this CWC than I was expecting. One other aspect that has sucked, has been our fielding. In the past we had far less talent, but we boxed above our weight because we were absolute tigers in the field. We took the catches. Saved the runs. Smashed the stumps. Yes some chances have been tough, but fark we've missed some sitters as well, and not one or two but LOTS.
We should be playing a lot better in English conditions, but we just aren't. -
@akan004 said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
Not sure if Stead has any clue. Young hit three centuries against Australia and they didn't pick him, but went with the out of form Munro instead. Sure he had surgery lined up, but that could have been postponed.
Young wasn't able to throw in those games so wasn't fielding. Delaying the surgery wasn't an option.
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@Siam said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
I think we're underestimating Mccullum leadership. No disrespect to kane but the 2015 team was similarly talented but baz had them thinking they were world beaters.
This team is quite meek
I've always been the first to say that the 2015 side was historically a bit overrated relative to other CWC teams - but there is no way this side is anywhere as good as 2015 especially with the ball.
Boult is a shade off what he was. Southee is a shell of himself (Henry is not an adequate replacement), Vettori while not at his peak was a reliable spin option whose batting balanced the order. Ferguson is outperforming Milne as first change slightly. If Boult takes tap early Kane's only positive option is Ferguson and after that he has nothing. He doesn't even have a Harris/Larsen type who can at least tie up an end somewhat. McCullum could get to about the 20 over mark getting smashed as a fielding captain before exhausting his options whereas Kane would be done after Santner goes for 15 in the 9th over.
With the bat I would say we a slightly lower level level but different - if we got any production at all out of the Munro/Nicholls spot this summer I would say even with.
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@Donsteppa I kinda get it. Fuck the cricket, it's been a bit shit. Why not ignore it for a few days and just roll up for the semi. Everyone knows you get better if you don't train. Besides it's only the world cup.
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@Bones said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa I kinda get it. Fuck the cricket, it's been a bit shit. Why not ignore it for a few days and just roll up for the semi. Everyone knows you get better if you don't train. Besides it's only the world cup.
No pressure, no expectatoins - too easy bro
We're now well placed for the Colins to smash a collective 150 off 100, and we get 350, then roll the Aussies with some filthy medium pace. Can't wait
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@mariner4life said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
I dont rate Stead as a coach/selector and think the Black Caps could be heading for some dark times.
Yep. I wasn't happy when he was chosen as Hesson's replacement. Bradburn was my choice. At least he knows how to coach a team to beat England.
We need to find a better batting coach than the departing McMillan too.
I didn't see any of the match after checking the current score when getting home late last night (161/1 IIRC). Entirely predictable when I heard the result this morning.
If it's going to be Aust In the SF show some fuckin' aggression and take the game to them - win or lose.
need some motherfuckers to channel one CZ Harris from 1996. Actually Germon too. That's about digging in and giving yourself a chance even when things have started disastrously.
We lost that :(. Mark Waugh.
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@Donsteppa I'm getting flashbacks to a certain event that didn't happen in 2007.
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Good bit of banter on the radio this morning - you've got the ability to add any NZ player from any era into the team. Who would it be and why? who do they come in for?
I agreed with Jason Pine and opted for Bond. Nato had Hadlee and Kent was plugging for Astle. I know we are desperate for runs at the moment but at least a bowler can give you 10 overs.. unless he's getting spanked of course.
Discuss.
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@Paekakboyz An opener who doesn't farking suck.
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It'd have to be Crowe for me, our batting has been diabolical. Crowe, Kane & Rosco would at least score enough runs each game to make us competitive.
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