[Poll] Next AB Captain
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@Hooroo said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
@Nevorian said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
@Hooroo Why a forward? there have been successful captains in the backline. Tana was a good and successful captain, Farrell for England would be the obvious current example. I agree full back - wing too far away from the action.
Just my personal preference. Don't mind a halfback captain but certainly no further out.
Has a Captain won the cup with a number greater than 9 on their back? Genuine question as quickly thinking, I can't think of one
It's been:
Halfback
Halfback
Flanker
Lock
Lock
Hooker
Flanker
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@Cyclops was thinking about who it would have been in 1991, so Farr-Jones?
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
@Cyclops was thinking about who it would have been in 1991, so Farr-Jones?
Yep. Looking at it, I realised that until Richie lead us to victory in 2011, the Jersey number of the winning captain had consistently decreased.
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@Cyclops going by that, our next winning captain will wear #5...
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
@Cyclops going by that, our next winning captain will wear #5...
Good spot.
Other than halfbacks (Gregan was a losing captain in 2003), the only back to captain a RWC final was Will Carling in 91.
Snap @Bovidae
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I thought Jack Goodhue showed a superb attitude in adversity last weekend and is worth considering.
My vote went for Ardie Savea. World Class player, young enough to be there in 2023, a happy warrior, good bloke. Definitely a potential AB captain
Sam Cane, the other obvious candidate. Sam Whitelock is an excellent captain for the Crusaders, but his form has been mixed for the ABs over the past couple of years.
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Please no Whitelock. It's time to start a fresh and with the next breed. Sam's had 3 world cups and just didn't look like he was up there anymore last weekend. Itoje & Lawes both overshadowed him.
I don't know who it should be honestly. I would have said Sam Cane, but I think he's more leadership group than leader.
So, I don't know. Not a clue.
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@MajorRage said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
Please no Whitelock. It's time to start a fresh and with the next breed. Sam's had 3 world cups and just didn't look like he was up there anymore last weekend. Itoje & Lawes both overshadowed him.
I don't know who it should be honestly. I would have said Sam Cane, but I think he's more leadership group than leader.
So, I don't know. Not a clue.
I agree with your summary completely and I also have no answer
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@MajorRage Might be time to compensate for not having a single outstanding candidate with dual captains? Cane and a back.
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@Tim said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
@MajorRage Might be time to compensate for not having a single outstanding candidate with dual captains? Cane and a back.
Perhaps. I'd go Coles and a back. Goodhue, perhaps.
As other alluded to, Coles has done a fine job for the Canes, but the modern hooker doesn't play 80 minutes.
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@rotated said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
Would it be possible to have a separate thread/poll to discuss the next captain?
10 of the 11 players continuing on with the most caps are below in order. I excluded Moody as we haven't had a prop captain since Whinereay and it is unlikely to see another soon):
Whitelock
Aaron Smith
B.Barrett
Rettalick
Coles
Cane
TJP
Taylor
Savea
ALBYou missed DMac. 23 caps ...
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Ok. Picked Cane.
Will be an interesting year next year huh?
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@booboo said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
Ok. Picked Cane.
Will be an interesting year next year huh?
we would need a back up plan if we go with Cane, I think his neck injury may have taken a bigger impact than we may know and could possibly see his career finish earlier than maybe expected - hope to be proved wrong
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@NTA said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
Coles as Captain? 🤔
Has he done it before? TBH he's a bit of a cock so not sure he's your man
Could be the making of him, though.
I actually think he could be a good stop gap. I don’t think our next long term captain will come from this bunch, to be honest. They’ve either been tried and not come up to the mark (Whitelock, Retallick) or have question marks over their longevity (again, Whitelock, Coles) or indeed their unchallenged place in the starting 15 (Cane).
So, yeah, I’d go for Coles, with probably Whitelock as my vice who can take over on the field of Coke’s gets hooked.
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@MajorRage said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
Please no Whitelock. It's time to start a fresh and with the next breed. Sam's had 3 world cups and just didn't look like he was up there anymore last weekend. Itoje & Lawes both overshadowed him.
I don't know who it should be honestly. I would have said Sam Cane, but I think he's more leadership group than leader.
So, I don't know. Not a clue.
Yeah both Sams out of the frame for mine. Whitelock’s lack of composure and ill discipline on the weekend rule him out for me (especially so given he is a 100 test veteran).
Cane would have been my choice, but I’m not sure how long he’s going to last given his injuries and question marks over his place in the team.
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
@Kirwan said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:
next squad annoucement is going to be the most interesting in years
i bet it's not (easy to say now, 7 months in advance!!)
Who do you see, who isn't retiring, being realistically left out? Especially by a new coach in a bedding-in process?
Hey remember when Jonno Gibbes became an AB In 2004....
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