Coronavirus - Overall
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
is there even the chance its a cure? or just a treatment for symptoms? is there a chance this thing actually kills the virus?
Supposed to boost immune response, so effectivley a cure with the body killing off the virus (not just masking symptoms). Trump was also taking another couple of drugs but is pushing this one...make of that what you will.
The same article said he had interests in the main companies to manufacture hydroquinone IIRC...
Was going to ask if he was prescribed hydroxychloroqiune. And if not why not?
A brief search suggests his interest in a French company that manufactures hydroxychloroquine consists of shares in a fund. So he has no direct control of the company
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surely if you get a positive result at the start of the virus' life cycle (as opposed to having it for a week before a positive result) and access to top notch healthcare, would assist anyone to a quick recovery (assuming no lingering issues as some do)
Was talking to a mate in Prague this afternoon, sheesh, sounds pretty bad over there, numbers exploding, been in lockdown in one way or another for pretty much 7 months!
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Total death numbers for the US. Last 4 years
TOTAL U.S. DEATHS [ALL CAUSES]:
2018 Total Deaths US: 2,839,205 (237,000/month)
2017 Total Deaths US: 2,813,503 (234,000/month)
2019 Total Deaths US: 2,855,000 (238,000/month)
2020 Total Deaths US (jan - week 9/26): 2,130,000 (236,000/month)
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6📁
2,130,000 + (236,000/month x 3) [Oct, Nov, Dec] = 2,838,000 [assumption based on monthly avg]
2020: 2,838,000 [3-month assumption insert]
2019: 2,855,000
2018: 2,839,000
2017: 2,814,000 -
Pigeons coming home to roost
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
surely if you get a positive result at the start of the virus' life cycle (as opposed to having it for a week before a positive result) and access to top notch healthcare, would assist anyone to a quick recovery (assuming no lingering issues as some do)
Was talking to a mate in Prague this afternoon, sheesh, sounds pretty bad over there, numbers exploding, been in lockdown in one way or another for pretty much 7 months!
Mrs CF was talking to a colleague in Paris. They are very scared with Winter coming and covid19 spiking
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Finally the WHO talking some sense. These constant lockdowns are having a devastating affect on the poorest people in the world, not to mention fucking the economy for decades to come.
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@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Finally the WHO talking some sense. These constant lockdowns are having a devastating affect on the poorest people in the world, not to mention fucking the economy for decades to come.
Why on earth are they still funded? A book could be written on their constant fuckups in this. I'm going to guess they've changed tact now because the economic fallout will be impossible to ignore very shortly and now they can say "see we were against lockdown!"...and the usual media outlets can still parrot the WHO as the authority in this mess.
Dan Andrews must be pissed, how is he supposed to keep a state incarcerated now that even his WHO is against him.
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Lockdowns were never a long term desire. They were meant to be a tool to bring things under control and create space to put measures in place to stop things getting out of control long term.
I don't think anyone was ever saying to keep going in and out.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Lockdowns were never a long term desire. They were meant to be a tool to bring things under control and create space to put measures in place to stop things getting out of control long term.
I don't think anyone was ever saying to keep going in and out.
The countries that are suffering are those that didn't use the space wiselyPlease tell Johnson, Sturgeon and Drakeford
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Lockdowns were never a long term desire. They were meant to be a tool to bring things under control and create space to put measures in place to stop things getting out of control long term.
I don't think anyone was ever saying to keep going in and out.
The countries that are suffering are those that didn't use the space wiselyPlease tell Johnson, Sturgeon and Drakeford
Lockdowns are still being used after 6 months. And there is a resistance to remove them. Maybe the good guys are slowly taking back control from the nanny state control freaks that unfortunately have far too much power now in the West. Where they have used this virus to lock healthy people down. Not just the sick but everyone. And the full effects on the economy and peoples mental health has yet to be fully felt.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Lockdowns were never a long term desire. They were meant to be a tool to bring things under control and create space to put measures in place to stop things getting out of control long term.
I don't think anyone was ever saying to keep going in and out.
The countries that are suffering are those that didn't use the space wiselyPlease tell Johnson, Sturgeon and Drakeford
Lockdowns are still being used after 6 months. And there is a resistance to remove them. Maybe the good guys are slowly taking back control from the nanny state control freaks that unfortunately have far too much power now in the West. Where they have used this virus to lock healthy people down. Not just the sick but everyone. And the full effects on the economy and peoples mental health has yet to be fully felt.
They're already being felt in the UK
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Lockdowns were never a long term desire. They were meant to be a tool to bring things under control and create space to put measures in place to stop things getting out of control long term.
I don't think anyone was ever saying to keep going in and out.
The countries that are suffering are those that didn't use the space wiselyPlease tell Johnson, Sturgeon and Drakeford
Lockdowns are still being used after 6 months. And there is a resistance to remove them. Maybe the good guys are slowly taking back control from the nanny state control freaks that unfortunately have far too much power now in the West. Where they have used this virus to lock healthy people down. Not just the sick but everyone. And the full effects on the economy and peoples mental health has yet to be fully felt.
The last sentence is the bit I agree with.
Good guys and nanny state! Hilarious.
Do you honestly think someone is sitting in govt thinking “let’s confine the population for no good reason “
This was a worldwide health issue about which little was known except that it was killing people and we couldnt stop it.
Don’t apply hindsight or today’s knowledge against decisions made back then.
What I do agree with is that by now well resourced countries should be in a position to avoid wide ranging lockdowns unless absolutely necessary. If ‘the people’ play their role and are sensible around taking care not to spread (ie wear masks in confined spaces, wash hands etc) they should be able to retain the important freedoms while conceding some small ones for the good of everyone. -
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
If ‘the people’ play their role and are sensible around taking care not to spread (ie wear masks in confined spaces, wash hands etc) they should be able to retain the important freedoms while conceding some small ones for the good of everyone.
They're not.
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@Crucial yet Victoria is in lockdown because "the other people" (in a well resourced state) totally botched up quarantine. Similarly in New York, another well resourced state.
No blame for them though, the Premier made it very clear he doesn't know what went wrong.
A well documented incredibly low mortality rate in the past 4 months is hardly hindsight.
But yeah, have the governments lock everyone in for a disease that kills a specific demographic, watch them sacrifice " small freedoms" like being unable to attend funerals, not visit relatives, not be able to pay the rent, not be able to earn a living, mount up excessive debt for their kids to figure out and then turn around and blame "the people" for the most dire 6 months for everyone in living history.
Yep, all lockdown governments have certainly "saved" the people from a terrible life in 2020. No doubt about it.
It's not all "the people's" fault
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Crucial yet Victoria is in lockdown because "the other people" (in a well resourced state) totally botched up quarantine. Similarly in New York, another well resourced state.
No blame for them though, the Premier made it very clear he doesn't know what went wrong.
A well documented incredibly low mortality rate in the past 4 months is hardly hindsight.
But yeah, have the governments lock everyone in for a disease that kills a specific demographic, watch them sacrifice " small freedoms" like being unable to attend funerals, not visit relatives, not be able to pay the rent, not be able to earn a living, mount up excessive debt for their kids to figure out and then turn around and blame "the people" for the most dire 6 months for everyone in living history.
Yep, all lockdown governments have certainly "saved" the people from a terrible life in 2020. No doubt about it.
It's not all "the people's" fault
I think you may have completely misunderstood my post (or I wasn't obvious enough).
Try reading it with a different set of lenses perhaps?
Hint: it is actually pointing out that continued lockdowns and restrictions should NOT be the first resort by now -
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Lockdowns were never a long term desire. They were meant to be a tool to bring things under control and create space to put measures in place to stop things getting out of control long term.
I don't think anyone was ever saying to keep going in and out.
The countries that are suffering are those that didn't use the space wiselyPlease tell Johnson, Sturgeon and Drakeford
Lockdowns are still being used after 6 months. And there is a resistance to remove them. Maybe the good guys are slowly taking back control from the nanny state control freaks that unfortunately have far too much power now in the West. Where they have used this virus to lock healthy people down. Not just the sick but everyone. And the full effects on the economy and peoples mental health has yet to be fully felt.
The last sentence is the bit I agree with.
Good guys and nanny state! Hilarious.
Do you honestly think someone is sitting in govt thinking “let’s confine the population for no good reason “
This was a worldwide health issue about which little was known except that it was killing people and we couldnt stop it.
Don’t apply hindsight or today’s knowledge against decisions made back then.
What I do agree with is that by now well resourced countries should be in a position to avoid wide ranging lockdowns unless absolutely necessary. If ‘the people’ play their role and are sensible around taking care not to spread (ie wear masks in confined spaces, wash hands etc) they should be able to retain the important freedoms while conceding some small ones for the good of everyone.My sister lives in Melbourne, and her assessment is that a high number of people were not conceding small freedoms (wear mask, social distancing) and that resulted in failure to stamp out the virus in partial lockdown, which resulted in the heavier lockdown. Of course the government fucked up the quarantine procedure in the first place which kicked things off, and she says their contact tracing systems are not great. But if they are using the government's snafu as an excuse to flout rules then that is stupid and self-defeating because everyone is suffering now
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The overwhelming majority will do the right thing but there is always a sizeable (not % wise but in real terms) who are deniers / libertarians / tinfoil helmet brigade or simply selfish fluffybunnies. This means that luck will always play a large part in controlling the virus.
As things get better and / or people get sick of the restrictions the number continuing to follow the social distancing, contact tracing, hygiene mantra declines quite quickly so you need to have luck on your side even more - and luck is a fickle bitch.