Coronavirus - Overall
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@snowy Yeah, the control group is an average of the last X years given there can be quite large fluctuations on deaths from things like flu from year-to-year. Officially "reported" stats are not always what they seem in some countries like Russia, India etc.
I think in the UK we have three sets of mortality numbers:
- NHS Healthcare - for day-to-day management and decision making ... what you see on the news and in the papers
- ONS - Office of National Statistics, which are periodic and a more accurate version of the base NHS numbers
- ONS - Excess mortality.
The ONS Office, which is funded by but independent from the Government reconciles the three sets.
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Interesting article. It will make you think twice about taking antibiotics, which are significantly overprescribed in NZ (and elsewhere).
Gut Microbiome May Help or Hinder Defenses Against SARS-CoV-2
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Has this been posted?
Not sure about the implications of it.
Tim?
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot -
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Has this been posted?
Not sure about the implications of it.
Tim?
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shotI would have thought this was logical. All of us should expect to contract covid19 at some stage, probably more than once, and ultimately like the flu it is the only way that we get normalcy. But we want to reduce the chance that getting covid kills you or irreparably harms you, which is where the vaccine comes in.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Has this been posted?
Not sure about the implications of it.
Tim?
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shotI would have thought this was logical. All of us should expect to contract covid19 at some stage, probably more than once, and ultimately like the flu it is the only way that we get normalcy. But we want to reduce the chance that getting covid kills you or irreparably harms you, which is where the vaccine comes in.
TBH, I'm loathe to take any conclusions from news articles based on preprints these days (even though I agree fully with your post ).
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Has this been posted?
Not sure about the implications of it.
Tim?
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shotI would have thought this was logical. All of us should expect to contract covid19 at some stage, probably more than once, and ultimately like the flu it is the only way that we get normalcy. But we want to reduce the chance that getting covid kills you or irreparably harms you, which is where the vaccine comes in.
TBH, I'm loathe to take any conclusions from news articles based on preprints these days (even though I agree fully with your post ).
Shit mate, I didn't even bother to read the article. We are the Fern after all
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank I imagine having it and a jab would even better
Just in the opposite order from how you've written it.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Has this been posted?
Not sure about the implications of it.
Tim?
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shotGreat. Here’s me with two jabs and now it seems I’d have been better off just getting the virus. I just can’t get a break these days.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank I imagine having it and a jab would even better
Sweet, I'm basically immortal
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio you are vulnerable if
someoneanother immortal cuts your head off thoughAaaand back to reality…
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@landp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is one risk factor, but if you're talking about the overall risk of death from CoVid in society, it's really a relatively minor risk factor compared with age.
I’m talking about people under 50 and kids.
Naturally age is the bigger factor — for old people. When the average age of a Covid fatality is higher than the average life expectancy of a citizen in the Western world, then yes clearly age is critical. Reminds us we don’t live forever.
But for the numbers of vaxxed and unvaxxed under the age of 30 and 50 who are admitted to ICUs and small % who die, the stats point to a whole lotta potato chips and jelly donuts and an extreme lack of self-discipline and exercise. Private Pyles.
Fatness is a sickness that weighs all health systems down, but political correctness means denial of the bleeding obvious.
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@nostrildamus said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kid-chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Guvment and media tells me I’m a fat-shaming bigot hater and to shutup, bend over and take the vaxx.
Your doctor must really like you. Mine just asked for my arm.
We’re going to be grabbing our ankles and taking it up the ass until we refuse the 10th booster shot, whereupon they’ll call us “antivaxxers.” Just watch.
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@kid-chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nostrildamus said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kid-chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Guvment and media tells me I’m a fat-shaming bigot hater and to shutup, bend over and take the vaxx.
Your doctor must really like you. Mine just asked for my arm.
We’re going to be grabbing our ankles and taking it up the ass until we refuse the 10th booster shot, whereupon they’ll call us “antivaxxers.” Just watch.
I have to apologize, I thought your name on here was meant to refer to a boxer.
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and the trend: Most getting less sceptical over time.
WHEN COVID-19 vaccines were first being rolled out in December, many Americans were reluctant to get a jab, fearing that they might be unsafe or have harmful side-effects. At the time, such concerns were not unusual. But according to a new poll, Americans’ continuing scepticism of covid-19 vaccines now makes it an outlier among other rich Western countries. A survey conducted between August 24th and 30th by Morning Consult, an American pollster, found that 28% of Americans say they do not plan to get vaccinated or are unsure whether they will do so, more than double the average for the 15 countries surveyed. Only Russians are less enthusiastic.
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@mikethesnow had a fever for a day and it was not the out of control type. 100 to 100.5. How was yours? Ice baths?
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Just reading through from the week. Why the Ivermectin hate? From the data i've seen looks fairly effective if administered early.
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@muddyriver Lots of bad and fraudulent data. The whole story is a pretty sad tale of grifters, fraudsters, cranks, ignorance, and people who should know better producing false hope.
Developing antivirals is very difficult, and almost all candidates fail. Taking a random drug, that pops up in a crappy in vitro drug library screening assay when used at massive equivalent doses, and claiming it's a "miracle drug" that should be rushed into front line medical intervention is pretty dreadful behaviour from anyone, especially from physicians.
There are known mechanisms by which many types of drugs give false or unusable positive results in in vitro assays. In the case of ivermectin, it's probably because it's lipophilic and accumulates in cell membranes, which disrupts them and damages/kills the cells. That would give the impression that it is stopping virus replication, because it is killing the cells they replicate in. I may well be wrong about that, but there's been similar observations with a lot of other repurposed drug candidates for covid.
There's a lot of people who know fuck all about drug discovery and development who have been very noisy about pumping ivermectin, and they should've stuck to what they know.
Should it turn out to have some use, then that would be great. That is established through vigorous experimentation and clinical research, not from internet dick measuring and grifting.
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BTW, we have some physicians who post on here (I'm a engineer with some limited background in methods for drug discovery). They aren't claiming to be experts in virology or antiviral drug development, unlike some of the self-proclaimed "experts" on the internet.