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Don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist but if those numbers are true the level of lockdown must be insane to bring it down like that.
Have heard some pretty over the top stuff that I don't know i believe in how bad it is over there and not being shared.
They have plenty of reason to lie. That kind of governmental system relies on control and if they look like they have lost it there are all sorts of problems.
Will wait and see but I am sceptical.
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Davesofthunder said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Anyone actually believe those China figures, just 11 new cases yesterday?
@chimoaus said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
This site is worth checking for up to date stats.
Conspiracy theorists probably say no. But I'd say there is no good reason for them to lie now, and from what I read in the article about Taiwan they allowed Taiwanese observers in pretty early. And while they didn't necessarily fully disclose they allowed them more than enough access for the Taiwanese to come to the correct conclusions. Factories are starting to re-open which is a good sign, and based on anecdotal reports from people I know people are still restricting their movements over there
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Strange eerie feeling here ,
Go into a supermarket , shelves are empty , people look worried ,
a clam before the storm , except we dont really know if the storm hits , how severe it will be ,
The conspiracy theorists say , they want everyone nervous and afraid ,
well they have done a good job of that, thats for sure
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Good piece
I'm shocked a never Trumpet hates Trump and finds fault with his handling. Shocked I tells ya.... I am annoyed I read that, it is so incredibly dishonest.
People are the worst.On the news last.. In the same article they literally blamed Trump for overreacting at the same time as blaming for not taking it seriously enough. The media suck donkey balls.
I thought it was pretty fair. Clearly doesn't blame him for creating this, but is highly critical of his handling.
I don't see how you could really argue otherwise but I'm happy to see you try. For me, everything that has come out of his mouth has been a disaster.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Good piece
I'm shocked a never Trumpet hates Trump and finds fault with his handling. Shocked I tells ya.... I am annoyed I read that, it is so incredibly dishonest.
People are the worst.On the news last.. In the same article they literally blamed Trump for overreacting at the same time as blaming for not taking it seriously enough. The media suck donkey balls.
I thought it was pretty fair. Clearly doesn't blame him for creating this, but is highly critical of his handling.
I don't see how you could really argue otherwise but I'm happy to see you try. For me, everything that has come out of his mouth has been a disaster.
The article is more about how his behavioural traits are totally unsuited to a crisis of this sort. Well explained.
I don't agree with the title or the last line as people be people and competency is not a facet of Trumps presidency that has changed peoples perception/like/dislike of him previously.Did Trump disband the White House task force that existed for these happenings? Yes, it seems so.
Did that lose the expertise and advice that would have kicked into gear earlier? Undoubtably.
As the article states. You can't get that period back. Speed of action is a big element in flattening the curve. -
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Good piece
I'm shocked a never Trumpet hates Trump and finds fault with his handling. Shocked I tells ya.... I am annoyed I read that, it is so incredibly dishonest.
People are the worst.On the news last.. In the same article they literally blamed Trump for overreacting at the same time as blaming for not taking it seriously enough. The media suck donkey balls.
I thought it was pretty fair. Clearly doesn't blame him for creating this, but is highly critical of his handling.
I don't see how you could really argue otherwise but I'm happy to see you try. For me, everything that has come out of his mouth has been a disaster.
Seriously you think it is fair because they don't blame him for creating the virus?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Good piece
I'm shocked a never Trumpet hates Trump and finds fault with his handling. Shocked I tells ya.... I am annoyed I read that, it is so incredibly dishonest.
People are the worst.On the news last.. In the same article they literally blamed Trump for overreacting at the same time as blaming for not taking it seriously enough. The media suck donkey balls.
I thought it was pretty fair. Clearly doesn't blame him for creating this, but is highly critical of his handling.
I don't see how you could really argue otherwise but I'm happy to see you try. For me, everything that has come out of his mouth has been a disaster.
Seriously you think it is fair because they don't blame him for creating the virus?
Jesus weptFucks sake man, you wonder why people hardly ever take your side in arguments around here.
I didn't say its fair BECAUSE they don't blame him for creating the virus. I said it is fair AND it doesn't blame him for anything of the sort.
But don't you worry yourself with what I actually said, just keep on calling me a Trump basher. And you should certainly not try to attempt to defend his actual handling of this crisis.
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@voodoo if you ignore what other people are saying about him and focus on what he actually says, his message has been inconsistent to say the least
- It's not a big deal, no worse than the flu
- It's not a big deal, we got this
- It's all Europe and China's fault, but we still got this
- We have enough tests for everyone (not enough by a mile)
People need to know what they are up against and what to do. And they are looking to Trump to light the way
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@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan its almost like he's trying to keep the country from panicking.
It is important to do that. But you need to give people information and a cohesive message too. I'm not convinced he is doing that. Contrast Jacinda. I disagree with a lot of things the government do, and I still feel she is a lightweight surrounded by idiots. But she is making a good job of this so far. As Voodoo said, contradicting your experts is not helpful
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@canefan given her lack of leadership in other aspects of internal turmoil in the past months, it makes you wonder who is pulling the strings, or if she thrives on the bigger stuff when it doesnt involve reigning in her pick'n'mix coalition!
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Good piece
I'm shocked a never Trumpet hates Trump and finds fault with his handling. Shocked I tells ya.... I am annoyed I read that, it is so incredibly dishonest.
People are the worst.On the news last.. In the same article they literally blamed Trump for overreacting at the same time as blaming for not taking it seriously enough. The media suck donkey balls.
I thought it was pretty fair. Clearly doesn't blame him for creating this, but is highly critical of his handling.
I don't see how you could really argue otherwise but I'm happy to see you try. For me, everything that has come out of his mouth has been a disaster.
Seriously you think it is fair because they don't blame him for creating the virus?
Jesus weptFucks sake man, you wonder why people hardly ever take your side in arguments around here.
I didn't say its fair BECAUSE they don't blame him for creating the virus. I said it is fair AND it doesn't blame him for anything of the sort.
But don't you worry yourself with what I actually said, just keep on calling me a Trump basher. And you should certainly not try to attempt to defend his actual handling of this crisis.
Most people are morons so I take it as a compliment. Way to many posters on here are suffering from Trump derangement, so now that we have dealt with you ad hominum logical fallacy, lets move on.
The article you posted was unbalanced, dishonest bullshit form a Trump hater. The fact you think it was fair is amazing to me.
Trump was criticized for stopping flights to China a few weeks back.. that was racist. He was attacked for stopping flights from Europe, he is right about that.
He has been attacked for a lack of diversity in his critical response team.... cause that is super important to Trump haters. Not enough trans black disabled lesbian dwarfs organising the response.... apparently
He was criticised for not taking it seriously enough, then he was attacked for fear mongering, now he is being attacked for not taking it seriously enough again.
Then he was attacked for calling the virus a hoax, despite him never saying that
Then he was attacked for not helping states enough... despite the fact a number of Democrat governors actually praising the federal govts response. He was criticised for not getting an aid bill through congress fast enough... turns out that as because Democrats had tried to insert abortion clauses in.... presumably because the Coronavirus virus doesnt kill babies and the Democrats wanted to fix that mistake.
No world leader has handled this perfectly, Trump has made misteps in hind sight. But the Trump derangement that has gripped many means that literally any action he took was going to be criticised.
Your article was unbalanced shite from a bitter never Trumper.. -
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@canefan Can't see things opening up internationally in the immediate future, so I think an NZ Mini-Series is the answer.
Only possible until a player tests positive. Then hwo do you continue it?
This looks like it's going to have some real legs I fear
If all sports are going to be canned - we'll have to start National Service weekends, where everyone gets out and picks up rubbish, etc.
Otherwise what is the populace going to do at weekends? Hang around in shopping malls?
Yeah, and talk bollocks on the internet. It'd be a disaster!
If this gets into the community at large, then gatherings (like even kids sports) could be canned. I am not sure we're appreciating quite how big this could be, and how much it will effect things.
If it gets out into the community at large then we will probably be like China and Italy and everything will close.
But, since we're not there yet, we can hope that the current measures might stop us getting there.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Good piece
I'm shocked a never Trumpet hates Trump and finds fault with his handling. Shocked I tells ya.... I am annoyed I read that, it is so incredibly dishonest.
People are the worst.On the news last.. In the same article they literally blamed Trump for overreacting at the same time as blaming for not taking it seriously enough. The media suck donkey balls.
I thought it was pretty fair. Clearly doesn't blame him for creating this, but is highly critical of his handling.
I don't see how you could really argue otherwise but I'm happy to see you try. For me, everything that has come out of his mouth has been a disaster.
Seriously you think it is fair because they don't blame him for creating the virus?
Jesus weptFucks sake man, you wonder why people hardly ever take your side in arguments around here.
I didn't say its fair BECAUSE they don't blame him for creating the virus. I said it is fair AND it doesn't blame him for anything of the sort.
But don't you worry yourself with what I actually said, just keep on calling me a Trump basher. And you should certainly not try to attempt to defend his actual handling of this crisis.
Most people are morons so I take it as a compliment. Way to many posters on here are suffering from Trump derangement, so now that we have dealt with you ad hominum logical fallacy, lets move on.
The article you posted was unbalanced, dishonest bullshit form a Trump hater. The fact you think it was fair is amazing to me.
Trump was criticized for stopping flights to China a few weeks back.. that was racist. He was attacked for stopping flights from Europe, he is right about that.
He has been attacked for a lack of diversity in his critical response team.... cause that is super important to Trump haters. Not enough trans black disabled lesbian dwarfs organising the response.... apparently
He was criticised for not taking it seriously enough, then he was attacked for fear mongering, now he is being attacked for not taking it seriously enough again.
Then he was attacked for calling the virus a hoax, despite him never saying that
Then he was attacked for not helping states enough... despite the fact a number of Democrat governors actually praising the federal govts response. He was criticised for not getting an aid bill through congress fast enough... turns out that as because Democrats had tried to insert abortion clauses in.... presumably because the Coronavirus virus doesnt kill babies and the Democrats wanted to fix that mistake.
No world leader has handled this perfectly, Trump has made misteps in hind sight. But the Trump derangement that has gripped many means that literally any action he took was going to be criticised.
Your article was unbalanced shite from a bitter never Trumper..Did you even read the article?
This para?
"To be sure, the president isn’t responsible for either the coronavirus or the disease it causes, COVID-19, and he couldn’t have stopped it from hitting our shores even if he had done everything right. Nor is it the case that the president hasn’t done anything right; in fact, his decision to implement a travel ban on China was prudent. And any narrative that attempts to pin all of the blame on Trump for the coronavirus is simply unfair. The temptation among the president’s critics to use the pandemic to get back at Trump for every bad thing he’s done should be resisted, and schadenfreude is never a good look."The article doesnt make half the claims you make.
But don't let that stop you bro!
Also, " ad hominum logical fallacy" ha ha, good one man, another quality contribution. 🙄
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Good piece
I'm shocked a never Trumpet hates Trump and finds fault with his handling. Shocked I tells ya.... I am annoyed I read that, it is so incredibly dishonest.
People are the worst.On the news last.. In the same article they literally blamed Trump for overreacting at the same time as blaming for not taking it seriously enough. The media suck donkey balls.
I thought it was pretty fair. Clearly doesn't blame him for creating this, but is highly critical of his handling.
I don't see how you could really argue otherwise but I'm happy to see you try. For me, everything that has come out of his mouth has been a disaster.
Seriously you think it is fair because they don't blame him for creating the virus?
Jesus weptFucks sake man, you wonder why people hardly ever take your side in arguments around here.
I didn't say its fair BECAUSE they don't blame him for creating the virus. I said it is fair AND it doesn't blame him for anything of the sort.
But don't you worry yourself with what I actually said, just keep on calling me a Trump basher. And you should certainly not try to attempt to defend his actual handling of this crisis.
Most people are morons so I take it as a compliment. Way to many posters on here are suffering from Trump derangement, so now that we have dealt with you ad hominum logical fallacy, lets move on.
The article you posted was unbalanced, dishonest bullshit form a Trump hater. The fact you think it was fair is amazing to me.
Trump was criticized for stopping flights to China a few weeks back.. that was racist. He was attacked for stopping flights from Europe, he is right about that.
He has been attacked for a lack of diversity in his critical response team.... cause that is super important to Trump haters. Not enough trans black disabled lesbian dwarfs organising the response.... apparently
He was criticised for not taking it seriously enough, then he was attacked for fear mongering, now he is being attacked for not taking it seriously enough again.
Then he was attacked for calling the virus a hoax, despite him never saying that
Then he was attacked for not helping states enough... despite the fact a number of Democrat governors actually praising the federal govts response. He was criticised for not getting an aid bill through congress fast enough... turns out that as because Democrats had tried to insert abortion clauses in.... presumably because the Coronavirus virus doesnt kill babies and the Democrats wanted to fix that mistake.
No world leader has handled this perfectly, Trump has made misteps in hind sight. But the Trump derangement that has gripped many means that literally any action he took was going to be criticised.
Your article was unbalanced shite from a bitter never Trumper..If you are going to continually assess what Trump does by looking at everyone else's reactions then how on earth can you claim the high ground and cry about unbalanced views? Do you have a balanced view you can enlighten us with?
Among the hyperbole in the article, which is plain to see and able to be ignored, there are facts. Facts you choose to ignore.
Plot stuff about Trump on a venn diagram and the crossover is where TDS and facts overlap. You seem to think they are exclusive. The derangement appears to be among those that forgive his lying and contradictions in an effort to attack those that don't think he is fit for purpose. -
@Crucial said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Good piece
I'm shocked a never Trumpet hates Trump and finds fault with his handling. Shocked I tells ya.... I am annoyed I read that, it is so incredibly dishonest.
People are the worst.On the news last.. In the same article they literally blamed Trump for overreacting at the same time as blaming for not taking it seriously enough. The media suck donkey balls.
I thought it was pretty fair. Clearly doesn't blame him for creating this, but is highly critical of his handling.
I don't see how you could really argue otherwise but I'm happy to see you try. For me, everything that has come out of his mouth has been a disaster.
Seriously you think it is fair because they don't blame him for creating the virus?
Jesus weptFucks sake man, you wonder why people hardly ever take your side in arguments around here.
I didn't say its fair BECAUSE they don't blame him for creating the virus. I said it is fair AND it doesn't blame him for anything of the sort.
But don't you worry yourself with what I actually said, just keep on calling me a Trump basher. And you should certainly not try to attempt to defend his actual handling of this crisis.
Most people are morons so I take it as a compliment. Way to many posters on here are suffering from Trump derangement, so now that we have dealt with you ad hominum logical fallacy, lets move on.
The article you posted was unbalanced, dishonest bullshit form a Trump hater. The fact you think it was fair is amazing to me.
Trump was criticized for stopping flights to China a few weeks back.. that was racist. He was attacked for stopping flights from Europe, he is right about that.
He has been attacked for a lack of diversity in his critical response team.... cause that is super important to Trump haters. Not enough trans black disabled lesbian dwarfs organising the response.... apparently
He was criticised for not taking it seriously enough, then he was attacked for fear mongering, now he is being attacked for not taking it seriously enough again.
Then he was attacked for calling the virus a hoax, despite him never saying that
Then he was attacked for not helping states enough... despite the fact a number of Democrat governors actually praising the federal govts response. He was criticised for not getting an aid bill through congress fast enough... turns out that as because Democrats had tried to insert abortion clauses in.... presumably because the Coronavirus virus doesnt kill babies and the Democrats wanted to fix that mistake.
No world leader has handled this perfectly, Trump has made misteps in hind sight. But the Trump derangement that has gripped many means that literally any action he took was going to be criticised.
Your article was unbalanced shite from a bitter never Trumper..If you are going to continually assess what Trump does by looking at everyone else's reactions then how on earth can you claim the high ground and cry about unbalanced views? Do you have a balanced view you can enlighten us with?
Among the hyperbole in the article, which is plain to see and able to be ignored, there are facts. Facts you choose to ignore.
Plot stuff about Trump on a venn diagram and the crossover is where TDS and facts overlap. You seem to think they are exclusive. The derangement appears to be among those that forgive his lying and contradictions in an effort to attack those that don't think he is fit for purpose.Except I don't assess Trump based on reactions of others, that seems to be more your game. Hence why I don't rate that stupid article Voodoo posted and you clearly do.
You claiming I am ignoring facts is nonsense, I could just as easily accuse you of exactly the same thing. -
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Also, " ad hominum logical fallacy" ha ha, good one man, another quality contributiony
Yes.... because not only did you indulge in it, the article was full of it as well.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan given her lack of leadership in other aspects of internal turmoil in the past months, it makes you wonder who is pulling the strings, or if she thrives on the bigger stuff when it doesnt involve reigning in her pick'n'mix coalition!
Oh yeah, she seems to be OK in a crisis, it's just the other 99% of important everyday stuff that her and her administration falls down on!! Credit where credit is due, they are taking strong action to try and stay ahead of this
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Good piece
I'm shocked a never Trumpet hates Trump and finds fault with his handling. Shocked I tells ya.... I am annoyed I read that, it is so incredibly dishonest.
People are the worst.On the news last.. In the same article they literally blamed Trump for overreacting at the same time as blaming for not taking it seriously enough. The media suck donkey balls.
I thought it was pretty fair. Clearly doesn't blame him for creating this, but is highly critical of his handling.
I don't see how you could really argue otherwise but I'm happy to see you try. For me, everything that has come out of his mouth has been a disaster.
Seriously you think it is fair because they don't blame him for creating the virus?
Jesus weptFucks sake man, you wonder why people hardly ever take your side in arguments around here.
I didn't say its fair BECAUSE they don't blame him for creating the virus. I said it is fair AND it doesn't blame him for anything of the sort.
But don't you worry yourself with what I actually said, just keep on calling me a Trump basher. And you should certainly not try to attempt to defend his actual handling of this crisis.
Most people are morons so I take it as a compliment. Way to many posters on here are suffering from Trump derangement, so now that we have dealt with you ad hominum logical fallacy, lets move on.
The article you posted was unbalanced, dishonest bullshit form a Trump hater. The fact you think it was fair is amazing to me.
Trump was criticized for stopping flights to China a few weeks back.. that was racist. He was attacked for stopping flights from Europe, he is right about that.
He has been attacked for a lack of diversity in his critical response team.... cause that is super important to Trump haters. Not enough trans black disabled lesbian dwarfs organising the response.... apparently
He was criticised for not taking it seriously enough, then he was attacked for fear mongering, now he is being attacked for not taking it seriously enough again.
Then he was attacked for calling the virus a hoax, despite him never saying that
Then he was attacked for not helping states enough... despite the fact a number of Democrat governors actually praising the federal govts response. He was criticised for not getting an aid bill through congress fast enough... turns out that as because Democrats had tried to insert abortion clauses in.... presumably because the Coronavirus virus doesnt kill babies and the Democrats wanted to fix that mistake.
No world leader has handled this perfectly, Trump has made misteps in hind sight. But the Trump derangement that has gripped many means that literally any action he took was going to be criticised.
Your article was unbalanced shite from a bitter never Trumper..If you are going to continually assess what Trump does by looking at everyone else's reactions then how on earth can you claim the high ground and cry about unbalanced views? Do you have a balanced view you can enlighten us with?
Among the hyperbole in the article, which is plain to see and able to be ignored, there are facts. Facts you choose to ignore.
Plot stuff about Trump on a venn diagram and the crossover is where TDS and facts overlap. You seem to think they are exclusive. The derangement appears to be among those that forgive his lying and contradictions in an effort to attack those that don't think he is fit for purpose.Except I don't assess Trump based on reactions of others, that seems to be more your game. Hence why I don't rate that stupid article Voodoo posted and you clearly do.
You claiming I am ignoring facts is nonsense, I could just as easily accuse you of exactly the same thing.So here are the facts.
Trump has contradicted his officials and himself.
Trump has told 'alternate facts' to the public
Trump shut down the very agency set up to deal with this crisis.So without pointing at other peoples actions or opinions, are those points incorrect? Has Trump and his administration handled this well?
There may come a point where many that dismiss all negatives as Trump Derangement Syndrome stop and look at capability. Then again, they might not as it is such a simple way to deflect criticism.
I can see why you like the guy so much. Belittlement, name calling and deflection are common traits.