Coronavirus - UK
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
My view on this keeps flip-flopping and I think part of the issue is the feeling that will there ever be a good time to lift restrictions? Currently it seems that someone (I'm looking at you Starmer) is saying there is always a reason not to lift without saying what they would realistically like to see as the triggers for lifting.
Yep. Heard a Labour spokesman being interviewed yesterday saying they should delay lifting restrictions and when asked when restrictions should be lifted, she didn't have a clue. It really can't be that hard for Starmer and his team to figure out a decent policy on this - a sensible opposition view is essential IMHO.
If hospitalisations do not run riot then Boris is a genius, if they do he is a complete fool showing disregard for his citizens.
The big question is if not now, then when and what are the implications of going now or delaying. Seems the views of the epidemiologists is now is the best time on balance and it will get a bit rocky regardless of timing, but a delay would be even more disastrous in the winter.
Rock and a hard place.
I trust what comes out of the Government's mouth less and less each day.
What comes out of the Opposition's mouth becomes less and less effective each day.
It's time people accepted that there are zero prizes for longevity, besides a letter from the Queen.
Life is about quality not quantity.
That's why we need to go about our lives.
That time is now.
Not some indeterminate time in the future.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
My view on this keeps flip-flopping and I think part of the issue is the feeling that will there ever be a good time to lift restrictions? Currently it seems that someone (I'm looking at you Starmer) is saying there is always a reason not to lift without saying what they would realistically like to see as the triggers for lifting.
Yep. Heard a Labour spokesman being interviewed yesterday saying they should delay lifting restrictions and when asked when restrictions should be lifted, she didn't have a clue. It really can't be that hard for Starmer and his team to figure out a decent policy on this - a sensible opposition view is essential IMHO.
If hospitalisations do not run riot then Boris is a genius, if they do he is a complete fool showing disregard for his citizens.
The big question is if not now, then when and what are the implications of going now or delaying. Seems the views of the epidemiologists is now is the best time on balance and it will get a bit rocky regardless of timing, but a delay would be even more disastrous in the winter.
Rock and a hard place.
I trust what comes out of the Government's mouth less and less each day.
What comes out of the Opposition's mouth becomes less and less effective each day.
It's time people accepted that there are zero prizes for longevity, besides a letter from the Queen.
Life is about quality not quantity.
That's why we need to go about our lives.
That time is now.
Not some indeterminate time in the future.
I have a sneaky suspicion that a lot of the country agrees with you and hence, supports the opening up in the face of rising cases.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
My view on this keeps flip-flopping and I think part of the issue is the feeling that will there ever be a good time to lift restrictions? Currently it seems that someone (I'm looking at you Starmer) is saying there is always a reason not to lift without saying what they would realistically like to see as the triggers for lifting.
Yep. Heard a Labour spokesman being interviewed yesterday saying they should delay lifting restrictions and when asked when restrictions should be lifted, she didn't have a clue. It really can't be that hard for Starmer and his team to figure out a decent policy on this - a sensible opposition view is essential IMHO.
If hospitalisations do not run riot then Boris is a genius, if they do he is a complete fool showing disregard for his citizens.
The big question is if not now, then when and what are the implications of going now or delaying. Seems the views of the epidemiologists is now is the best time on balance and it will get a bit rocky regardless of timing, but a delay would be even more disastrous in the winter.
Rock and a hard place.
I trust what comes out of the Government's mouth less and less each day.
What comes out of the Opposition's mouth becomes less and less effective each day.
It's time people accepted that there are zero prizes for longevity, besides a letter from the Queen.
Life is about quality not quantity.
That's why we need to go about our lives.
That time is now.
Not some indeterminate time in the future.
I have a sneaky suspicion that a lot of the country agrees with you and hence, supports the opening up in the face of rising cases.
They can't keep on trotting out cases and variants if the rate of hospitalisation and death remains flat and low.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
That's why we need to go about our lives.
That time is now.
Not some indeterminate time in the future.I think the scientists and the government pretty much agree with you
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
That's why we need to go about our lives.
That time is now.
Not some indeterminate time in the future.I think the scientists and the government pretty much agree with you
For now
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
That's why we need to go about our lives.
That time is now.
Not some indeterminate time in the future.I think the scientists and the government pretty much agree with you
1200 scientists don't apparently. Although whether they are scientists in the correct field to have a respectful opinion, is of course another matter.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
1200 scientists don't apparently. Although whether they are scientists in the correct field to have a respectful opinion, is of course another matter.
I seem to recall the list of 1,200 "scientists" opposed to relaxing the restrictions was obtained by allowing anyone to sign a petition on the internet. I think Guido Fawkes signed up as a Professor of Antimony....
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Michael Baker leading NZ epidemiologist signed the letter. As I've said before I have read a lot of negative comment from relevant scientists - but who knows Fingers crossed for the UK experiment.
Reports here that 24 hours after Freedom day there are restrictions being placed on night clubs?
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Michael Baker leading NZ epidemiologist signed the letter. As I've said before I have read a lot of negative comment from relevant scientists - but who knows Fingers crossed for the UK experiment.
Reports here that 24 hours after Freedom day there are restrictions being placed on night clubs?
Only restriction I've heard of is you will have to be double jabbed to enter.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Michael Baker leading NZ epidemiologist signed the letter. As I've said before I have read a lot of negative comment from relevant scientists - but who knows Fingers crossed for the UK experiment.
Reports here that 24 hours after Freedom day there are restrictions being placed on night clubs?
Professor Baker calls the UK approach a "barbaric experiment". He's possibly unaware of the winter flu issue in the UK - which cold kill up to 40k more people than the normal 20k as natural immunity hasn't built up due to lockdown.
I'm sure Professor Baker is very capable, but frankly, I'd rather believe the experts on the ground like Chris Whitty and JVT than a bloke 12,000 miles away.
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@bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Michael Baker leading NZ epidemiologist signed the letter. As I've said before I have read a lot of negative comment from relevant scientists - but who knows Fingers crossed for the UK experiment.
Reports here that 24 hours after Freedom day there are restrictions being placed on night clubs?
Only restriction I've heard of is you will have to be double jabbed to enter.
I was thinking that’s unfair on people that are afraid of needles but then thought waaait a minute.
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if you can't beat 'em, join 'em
Keir Starmer to isolate after his child tests positive for Covid
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - UK:
Picked from a tweet - but looks really promising so far. Vaccination really is a game changer
Great to see the shapes of those graphs but vaccination isn’t the only factor.
Most of the UK vulnerable have already passed away with Covid.
And by all normal measures of virus development successive strains are more virulent but less harmful.
Countries which chose eradication and who are waiting on majority vaccination will see deaths once they’re ‘open’
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@mikethesnow it will be very interesting to see what effect vaccination has on death rates in those susceptible groups
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow it will be very interesting to see what effect vaccination has on death rates in those susceptible groups
It should have an effect on those at risk too. But as @MiketheSnow implied it is rarely just one thing. Culling of the susceptible will have an effect, vaccines will have an effect, rising herd immunity will have an effect.