Coronavirus - UK
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Conclusion. It's far from perfect. Far from it. But the coalface workers have been incredible and amazing. Something to genuinely be proud of.
It's enough to make you turn a bit left.We've had the completely opposite experience from the coal-face workers. Yes, they smiled and said all the right things but the utter lack of care they gave to Mrs M's parents was so bad, they refused to go back to hospital for treatment. Some examples:
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We were given 36 hrs to arrange 24/7 care for two old people with dementia and Parkinsons. It was made clear an ambulance would deliver them back to their house whether care was in place or not.
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The "caring" staff never took notice of our requests that water, reading glasses and hearing aid were kept by his bedside. He was diagnosed with dehydration after he was discharged.
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They had been married for 65 years but when Mrs M's father asked how his wife was, they refused to answer any questions, quoting "data protection" - witnessed by other people.
I can only speak from our recent experience, but the contrast between the initial smiling, caring faces and reality was stark. They really didn't care.
My recent experience is much more in line with yours than @MajorRage sadly. We've had multiple visits to NHS maternity care for various reasons, and the attitude is just "get you out of there as fast as possible and don't you dare ask questions." Really upsetting the lack of humanity by all the staff. Nonsense covid rules seem like an excuse to treat patients even worse. I get these poor staff are probably overwhelmed and underfunded etc, but it is a brutal experience.
I've found the GP service more than OK and out-patient stuff like scans and osteopaths quite good with the staff really helpful.
I hate to say it, but it seems the moment you come into contact with nursing staff, it all seems to go to pot. I've found the lack of feeling by a lot of hospital staff really hard to understand.
I really think that this sort of thing is localised to individual hospitals. Most likely caused by indifferent or toxic management and quite possibly being overwhelmed for most of the time.
I'm not so sure. I think we've seen too often in too many hospitals for it to be localised thing. It's the medical staff themselves who are to blame for patient abuse and malpractice and not the management - as we saw at Mid-Staffs.
Nursing in particular is not a career you get into for the money, it is much more vocational
You'd be surprised. My daughter pulls in around £60k a year as an agency nurse.
and it must take something pretty profound to knock that out of, not just the odd member of staff, but the whole bloody lot of them!
It's a cultural thing? No-one really cares enough or is too scared to stand up when there's obvious and widespread malpractice and so it goes on. And whistle-blowers are often hung out to dry (or in the case of the the woman who exposed the Mid-Staffs cover-up, they get their homes and mothers grave vandalised).
And there's seemingly never any action taken against clinicians & nurses who ignore obvious symptoms of distress or are too incompetent to recognise them. The above can definitely be blamed on toxic NHS management
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Conclusion. It's far from perfect. Far from it. But the coalface workers have been incredible and amazing. Something to genuinely be proud of.
It's enough to make you turn a bit left.We've had the completely opposite experience from the coal-face workers. Yes, they smiled and said all the right things but the utter lack of care they gave to Mrs M's parents was so bad, they refused to go back to hospital for treatment. Some examples:
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We were given 36 hrs to arrange 24/7 care for two old people with dementia and Parkinsons. It was made clear an ambulance would deliver them back to their house whether care was in place or not.
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The "caring" staff never took notice of our requests that water, reading glasses and hearing aid were kept by his bedside. He was diagnosed with dehydration after he was discharged.
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They had been married for 65 years but when Mrs M's father asked how his wife was, they refused to answer any questions, quoting "data protection" - witnessed by other people.
I can only speak from our recent experience, but the contrast between the initial smiling, caring faces and reality was stark. They really didn't care.
My recent experience is much more in line with yours than @MajorRage sadly. We've had multiple visits to NHS maternity care for various reasons, and the attitude is just "get you out of there as fast as possible and don't you dare ask questions." Really upsetting the lack of humanity by all the staff. Nonsense covid rules seem like an excuse to treat patients even worse. I get these poor staff are probably overwhelmed and underfunded etc, but it is a brutal experience.
I've found the GP service more than OK and out-patient stuff like scans and osteopaths quite good with the staff really helpful.
I hate to say it, but it seems the moment you come into contact with nursing staff, it all seems to go to pot. I've found the lack of feeling by a lot of hospital staff really hard to understand.
I really think that this sort of thing is localised to individual hospitals. Most likely caused by indifferent or toxic management and quite possibly being overwhelmed for most of the time. Nursing in particular is not a career you get into for the money, it is much more vocational and it must take something pretty profound to knock that out of, not just the odd member of staff, but the whole bloody lot of them!
Yep. Bang on. Its very hard to shake the feeling of being resented. For being at the hospital, for being sick, for just existing. I find it really unsettling, and can't imagine how bad working conditions must be for the otherwise good people who get into that job, to become like that.
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Sorry guys but had follow up physio appointment yesterday for broken foot.
NHS staff were absolutely fantastic again. Incredibly helpful, caring and made my son feel at ease.
In other news en route to London this am and sitting beside somebody on the train for first time in 2 years. My local station really busy and we’ve be told Waterloo is as well.
Covid is done here.
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Trains and tubes as packed as they've ever been pre-COVID. Mask wearing at 20%. I work in Mayfair/Soho and streets very busy. Every restaurant I've had a work lunch meeting in is 100% full tables by 1pm.
I did go a large (~700 person) awards dinner on Friday night where they asked for vaccine passports on entry, first time have had to show those. No one has to wear masks apart from the serving staff which I found uncomfortable; at this point its just enforcing social boundaries rather than anything health-related.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Brit ferners can you please clarify?
Are all covid restrictions gone now? Or purely optional with no punitive repercussions?
A couple of sentences about what's happening at ground level would be great.
Ta
As above, pretty much all gone, though some local regulations mean masks on transport and shops can mandate them.
I work in our local community shop a day a week and while all the signs have been taken down, most people are still wearing masks & distancing.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
Trains and tubes as packed as they've ever been pre-COVID. Mask wearing at 20%. I work in Mayfair/Soho and streets very busy. Every restaurant I've had a work lunch meeting in is 100% full tables by 1pm.
I did go a large (~700 person) awards dinner on Friday night where they asked for vaccine passports on entry, first time have had to show those. No one has to wear masks apart from the serving staff which I found uncomfortable; at this point its just enforcing social boundaries rather than anything health-related.
Exactly the same in the city.
Decent q for water and city today too apparently.
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You have to admire the optimism.
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Salad-dodger.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
You have to admire the optimism.
so beggars CAN be choosers
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2 year Anniversary
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Common sense at last
And can someone please explain how
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
You have to admire the optimism.
so beggars CAN be choosers
Jeez. I just liked a post from February.
I've got to smarten up my Ferning ...
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@MiketheSnow Looks like a scam journal, it isn't indexed anywhere. Besides, vaccine reviews would not be published in a journal of "insulin resistance".
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The UK has had a pandemic, got a lot of things badly wrong and a lot of things really well. We all want to to find out ways we can avoid mistakes - well, apart from a few who want to focus on "racism as a key issue" in 120k deaths.