Cannabis debate
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I'm probably as woke as TSF gets, but it's not a difficult argument to counter with the point that we should fix the racism in the police and justice system rather than legalising Cannabis. That's without the depressing news that some racists found that a reason to vote No.
I had a few reasons to vote Yes, but a big one was that the common usage pattern is occasional, not heavy. There are plenty of legal chemicals that give people pleasure in moderation while being terrible in large quantities or heavy usage. I can't see us banning them any time soon, but the inconsistency undermines the rule of law.
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@chimoaus not what I was getting at but I think you knew that.
If they stop getting as much as they do through weed, will they increase supply of meth or something else?
Gangs will always be there, they'll diversify to fill the gap.
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@Godder Just out of interest, do you know of any discussions within the Labour party how they squared away legalising weed and their push over the last 15 years to get rid of smoking?
When I saw Aunty Helen coming out in support of the weed I was wondering how she squared that circle.
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@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder Just out of interest, do you know of any discussions within the Labour party how they squared away legalising weed and their push over the last 15 years to get rid of smoking?
When I saw Aunty Helen coming out in support of the weed I was wondering how she squared that circle.
The Labour Party doesn't have policy on legalisation of Cannabis - it came to the government's work programme via the Greens.
Auntie Helen was acting in her personal capacity rather than as an official Labour Party spokesperson, although I can appreciate that for an ex-PM, the distinction is not always clear to most people.
In terms of squaring legalisation with smoke free by 2025, there's no policy to actually make tobacco illegal, so the simplest argument would be that they simply don't believe in prohibition as a useful policy because it doesn't work.
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@Godder said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder Just out of interest, do you know of any discussions within the Labour party how they squared away legalising weed and their push over the last 15 years to get rid of smoking?
When I saw Aunty Helen coming out in support of the weed I was wondering how she squared that circle.
The Labour Party doesn't have policy on legalisation of Cannabis - it came to the government's work programme via the Greens.
Auntie Helen was acting in her personal capacity rather than as an official Labour Party spokesperson, although I can appreciate that for an ex-PM, the distinction is not always clear to most people.
In terms of squaring legalisation with smoke free by 2025, there's no policy to actually make tobacco illegal, so the simplest argument would be that they simply don't believe in prohibition as a useful policy because it doesn't work.
Excuse me applying logic to politics, but what the hell does smoke free mean without prohibition? Education to avoid people smoking? Weak sauce IMO.
Clarke was the spearhead of the anti-smoking movement, so it was really strange seeing her fron the weed campaign. Although I suppose whe could prefer edibles.
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@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder Just out of interest, do you know of any discussions within the Labour party how they squared away legalising weed and their push over the last 15 years to get rid of smoking?
When I saw Aunty Helen coming out in support of the weed I was wondering how she squared that circle.
The Labour Party doesn't have policy on legalisation of Cannabis - it came to the government's work programme via the Greens.
Auntie Helen was acting in her personal capacity rather than as an official Labour Party spokesperson, although I can appreciate that for an ex-PM, the distinction is not always clear to most people.
In terms of squaring legalisation with smoke free by 2025, there's no policy to actually make tobacco illegal, so the simplest argument would be that they simply don't believe in prohibition as a useful policy because it doesn't work.
Excuse me applying logic to politics, but what the hell does smoke free mean without prohibition? Education to avoid people smoking? Weak sauce IMO.
Clarke was the spearhead of the anti-smoking movement, so it was really strange seeing her fron the weed campaign. Although I suppose whe could prefer edibles.
Edibles. It's the only way right, preload for the munchies
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@nzzp said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder Just out of interest, do you know of any discussions within the Labour party how they squared away legalising weed and their push over the last 15 years to get rid of smoking?
When I saw Aunty Helen coming out in support of the weed I was wondering how she squared that circle.
The Labour Party doesn't have policy on legalisation of Cannabis - it came to the government's work programme via the Greens.
Auntie Helen was acting in her personal capacity rather than as an official Labour Party spokesperson, although I can appreciate that for an ex-PM, the distinction is not always clear to most people.
In terms of squaring legalisation with smoke free by 2025, there's no policy to actually make tobacco illegal, so the simplest argument would be that they simply don't believe in prohibition as a useful policy because it doesn't work.
Excuse me applying logic to politics, but what the hell does smoke free mean without prohibition? Education to avoid people smoking? Weak sauce IMO.
Clarke was the spearhead of the anti-smoking movement, so it was really strange seeing her fron the weed campaign. Although I suppose whe could prefer edibles.
Edibles. It's the only way right, preload for the munchies
Yeah. I'm reminded about the Latka's cookie episode on taxi
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@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder Just out of interest, do you know of any discussions within the Labour party how they squared away legalising weed and their push over the last 15 years to get rid of smoking?
When I saw Aunty Helen coming out in support of the weed I was wondering how she squared that circle.
The Labour Party doesn't have policy on legalisation of Cannabis - it came to the government's work programme via the Greens.
Auntie Helen was acting in her personal capacity rather than as an official Labour Party spokesperson, although I can appreciate that for an ex-PM, the distinction is not always clear to most people.
In terms of squaring legalisation with smoke free by 2025, there's no policy to actually make tobacco illegal, so the simplest argument would be that they simply don't believe in prohibition as a useful policy because it doesn't work.
Excuse me applying logic to politics, but what the hell does smoke free mean without prohibition? Education to avoid people smoking? Weak sauce IMO.
Clarke was the spearhead of the anti-smoking movement, so it was really strange seeing her fron the weed campaign. Although I suppose whe could prefer edibles.
Would have to ask National, they introduced Smokefree 2025 in 2011.
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@Godder said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder Just out of interest, do you know of any discussions within the Labour party how they squared away legalising weed and their push over the last 15 years to get rid of smoking?
When I saw Aunty Helen coming out in support of the weed I was wondering how she squared that circle.
The Labour Party doesn't have policy on legalisation of Cannabis - it came to the government's work programme via the Greens.
Auntie Helen was acting in her personal capacity rather than as an official Labour Party spokesperson, although I can appreciate that for an ex-PM, the distinction is not always clear to most people.
In terms of squaring legalisation with smoke free by 2025, there's no policy to actually make tobacco illegal, so the simplest argument would be that they simply don't believe in prohibition as a useful policy because it doesn't work.
Excuse me applying logic to politics, but what the hell does smoke free mean without prohibition? Education to avoid people smoking? Weak sauce IMO.
Clarke was the spearhead of the anti-smoking movement, so it was really strange seeing her fron the weed campaign. Although I suppose whe could prefer edibles.
Would have to ask National, they introduced Smokefree 2025 in 2011.
But campaigned against weed? At least Paula did.
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@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Godder Just out of interest, do you know of any discussions within the Labour party how they squared away legalising weed and their push over the last 15 years to get rid of smoking?
When I saw Aunty Helen coming out in support of the weed I was wondering how she squared that circle.
The Labour Party doesn't have policy on legalisation of Cannabis - it came to the government's work programme via the Greens.
Auntie Helen was acting in her personal capacity rather than as an official Labour Party spokesperson, although I can appreciate that for an ex-PM, the distinction is not always clear to most people.
In terms of squaring legalisation with smoke free by 2025, there's no policy to actually make tobacco illegal, so the simplest argument would be that they simply don't believe in prohibition as a useful policy because it doesn't work.
Excuse me applying logic to politics, but what the hell does smoke free mean without prohibition? Education to avoid people smoking? Weak sauce IMO.
Clarke was the spearhead of the anti-smoking movement, so it was really strange seeing her fron the weed campaign. Although I suppose whe could prefer edibles.
Would have to ask National, they introduced Smokefree 2025 in 2011.
But campaigned against weed? At least Paula did.
Sure, but they don't have a policy to actually ban tobacco. The smokefree 2025 policy seems to be based on limiting where smoking can be done and the age of purchase, education, regulation of packaging, excise tax and banning advertising, rather than prohibition.
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On the referendum results, Ardern said a majority was a majority. There would be no attempt by Labour to legalise or decriminalise cannabis in light of the referendum result.
She does not apologise for not sharing her view prior to the election.
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@taniwharugby that pisses me off no end.
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@Paekakboyz pretty slim majority...I mean there were what 2.8m voters, assuming every one of them used thier vote in the referendum, there was a difference of ~40,000
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@taniwharugby ~68,000 difference. Public opinion is slowly changing so I expect we will get over 50% in any future referendum.
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@taniwharugby said in Cannabis debate:
@Toddy being that close, I think the Govt. really need to be taking a look at making the decision.
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. To hold a referendum and then try and wish it away doesn't seem like a terrible great move (didn't go too well in the UK)
It is effectively decriminalized, that seems reasonable given where the electorate is.
It will now reasonably pass if/when 60-70% of the population support it and Labor have a leader who is willing to lose some skin on the issue and include it in their platform or as a concession to the Greens in forming a future government. I don't think another referendum will be needed.