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@snowy said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel Yeah I got that. It doesn't make Trump look very bright - nor the others as you say.
Didn't say it makes him look bright, simply saying it's exactly the same argument used by those going apeshit over his comments.
The hypocrisy in this whole global wa....climate change "debate" is truly something to behold.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
@snowy said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel Yeah I got that. It doesn't make Trump look very bright - nor the others as you say.
Didn't say it makes him look bright, simply saying it's exactly the same argument used by those going apeshit over his comments.
The hypocrisy in this whole global wa....climate change "debate" is truly something to behold.
Agreed, but on the one hand you have a bunch of scientists and pseudo-scientists, plus assorted media whores and on the other hand you have the most powerful man in the world.
I can live with the former being twats more than I can the latter.
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@catogrande said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
@snowy said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel Yeah I got that. It doesn't make Trump look very bright - nor the others as you say.
Didn't say it makes him look bright, simply saying it's exactly the same argument used by those going apeshit over his comments.
The hypocrisy in this whole global wa....climate change "debate" is truly something to behold.
Agreed, but on the one hand you have a bunch of scientists and pseudo-scientists, plus assorted media whores and on the other hand you have the most powerful man in the world.
I can live with the former being twats more than I can the latter.
What's Xi Jinping got to do with DJT? ...
... are you referring to the Chinese conspiracy? ...
@Baron-Silas-Greenback yes I appear to have missed DJT's history of subtly ironic tweets.
There's two possibilities that I can see:
- He's as ignorant as he is being portrayed by some
- He's on the wind up
Obviously my bias makes me think (hope?) it's the former, however either option confirms one of my preconceived negative opinions of him and his ability.
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So a president commenting on climate change in relation to a weather event is either huge ignorance or a wind up?
Fair enough, I think t was a wind up.
But do you remember when a former president by the name of Obama linked a weather event (Hurricane Sandy) with climate change? Do you remember when that president did far more than just make a flippant tweet about it? Actually produced White house papers about it? Made calls to action over climate change because of it? Actually made policy changes over climate change and referenced Hurricane Sandy?
Where were the howls of derision about confusing weather with Climate then? Nowhere much. I sure don't remember you saying anything about it, but my memory is quite bad, so maybe you did. ... but I doubt it.But is Obama ignorant or a troll when it comes t climate change? Where his policies on climate change based on ignorance or trolling?
The grotesque double standards over this is just a classic example of the Trump derangement syndrome.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
So a president commenting on climate change in relation to a weather event is either huge ignorance or a wind up?
Fair enough, I think t was a wind upThe grotesque double standards over this is just a classic example of the Trump derangement syndrome.
You're saying if one doesn't find equivalency with:
Donald Trump's smartarse 30 second Kathy Griffen-esque tweet on social media
With
Obama's 10s of thousand man hours creating, drafting, discussing, editing and passing a new law
Failure to link these events and one is guilty of grotesque double standards?
A 30 second skiting tweet and making a new law (right or wrong) are comparable presidential achievements?
The topic at hand is Trump's "wind up" tweet is it not?
Also, is there a vaccine for THE Trump Derangement syndrome?
Hating Hillary perhaps? Hating Obama? Hating the left?
Can you disapprove of anything Trump does and still be symptom free?
Im both curious and worried by the TDS, i fear it could lead to grotesque double standards. -
@siam said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
So a president commenting on climate change in relation to a weather event is either huge ignorance or a wind up?
Fair enough, I think t was a wind upThe grotesque double standards over this is just a classic example of the Trump derangement syndrome.
You're saying if one doesn't find equivalency with:
Donald Trump's smartarse 30 second Kathy Griffen-esque tweet on social media
With
Obama's 10s of thousand man hours creating, drafting, discussing, editing and passing a new law
Failure to link these events and one is guilty of grotesque double standards?
A 30 second skiting tweet and making a new law (right or wrong) are comparable presidential achievements?
The topic at hand is Trump's "wind up" tweet is it not?
Also, is there a vaccine for THE Trump Derangement syndrome?
Hating Hillary perhaps? Hating Obama? Hating the left?
Can you disapprove of anything Trump does and still be symptom free?
Im both curious and worried by the TDS, i fear it could lead to grotesque double standards.Nope that wasnt what I was saying.
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@baron-silas-greenback It was actually quite good regardless - but I have just had my first Tequila in 10 years. It has quite an effect if I am posting on this thread.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@siam said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
So a president commenting on climate change in relation to a weather event is either huge ignorance or a wind up?
Fair enough, I think t was a wind upThe grotesque double standards over this is just a classic example of the Trump derangement syndrome.
You're saying if one doesn't find equivalency with:
Donald Trump's smartarse 30 second Kathy Griffen-esque tweet on social media
With
Obama's 10s of thousand man hours creating, drafting, discussing, editing and passing a new law
Failure to link these events and one is guilty of grotesque double standards?
A 30 second skiting tweet and making a new law (right or wrong) are comparable presidential achievements?
The topic at hand is Trump's "wind up" tweet is it not?
Also, is there a vaccine for THE Trump Derangement syndrome?
Hating Hillary perhaps? Hating Obama? Hating the left?
Can you disapprove of anything Trump does and still be symptom free?
Im both curious and worried by the TDS, i fear it could lead to grotesque double standards.Nope that wasnt what I was saying.
Whilst I agree that Obama got a softer ride from the media than Trump is getting, I really see little equivalence in the two events on topic. One is a President initiating a research programme, using the powers that are available to him such as accredited scientists and then taking action on the findings. Whereas the other is just a bloody tweet, either sarcastic or ignorant. Take your pick, neither is particularly edifying for POTUS.
Your point in re Obama's initiative seems to be that the catalyst for him doing so was without substance or at least misguided and you may well be right. But there is little to compare between the two actions apart from a bit of whataboutery.
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@catogrande said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
@snowy said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel Yeah I got that. It doesn't make Trump look very bright - nor the others as you say.
Didn't say it makes him look bright, simply saying it's exactly the same argument used by those going apeshit over his comments.
The hypocrisy in this whole global wa....climate change "debate" is truly something to behold.
Agreed, but on the one hand you have a bunch of scientists and pseudo-scientists, plus assorted media whores and on the other hand you have the most powerful man in the world.
I can live with the former being twats more than I can the latter.
Plenty of international leaders and people with massive power and influence have done exactly the same thing. It's completely false to claim it's just the odd scientist, pseudo scientist or media whore.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
So a president commenting on climate change in relation to a weather event is either huge ignorance or a wind up?
Fair enough, I think t was a wind up.
But do you remember when a former president by the name of Obama linked a weather event (Hurricane Sandy) with climate change? Do you remember when that president did far more than just make a flippant tweet about it? Actually produced White house papers about it? Made calls to action over climate change because of it? Actually made policy changes over climate change and referenced Hurricane Sandy?
Where were the howls of derision about confusing weather with Climate then? Nowhere much. I sure don't remember you saying anything about it, but my memory is quite bad, so maybe you did. ... but I doubt it.But is Obama ignorant or a troll when it comes t climate change? Where his policies on climate change based on ignorance or trolling?
The grotesque double standards over this is just a classic example of the Trump derangement syndrome.
Seeing as you brought up Obama, and assuming he did what you said (because I don't remember it and I can't be bothered googling), I don't think your comparison does stack up that well.
Yes it appears both used extreme weather events to reference climate change. Both of these extreme weather events would appear to be indicators that climate is changing, or at least be more likely to be so than otherwise.
One, I assume, used it in an attempt to illustrate why we the present generation should do something about an issue that will affect the livability of the planet into the future.
The latter referenced a fact that is completely contrary to his point, trying to suggest that extreme weather is proof there is no climate change, and his comment was made to ... to ... what purpose exactly? Wind up the left? Appeal to his base? Cause angst and anguish? Win him votes?
I can't personally see the double standards to which you refer, grotesque or otherwise.
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@booboo said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
So a president commenting on climate change in relation to a weather event is either huge ignorance or a wind up?
Fair enough, I think t was a wind up.
But do you remember when a former president by the name of Obama linked a weather event (Hurricane Sandy) with climate change? Do you remember when that president did far more than just make a flippant tweet about it? Actually produced White house papers about it? Made calls to action over climate change because of it? Actually made policy changes over climate change and referenced Hurricane Sandy?
Where were the howls of derision about confusing weather with Climate then? Nowhere much. I sure don't remember you saying anything about it, but my memory is quite bad, so maybe you did. ... but I doubt it.But is Obama ignorant or a troll when it comes t climate change? Where his policies on climate change based on ignorance or trolling?
The grotesque double standards over this is just a classic example of the Trump derangement syndrome.
Seeing as you brought up Obama, and assuming he did what you said (because I don't remember it and I can't be bothered googling), I don't think your comparison does stack up that well.
Yes it appears both used extreme weather events to reference climate change. Both of these extreme weather events would appear to be indicators that climate is changing, or at least be more likely to be so than otherwise.
One, I assume, used it in an attempt to illustrate why we the present generation should do something about an issue that will affect the livability of the planet into the future.
The latter referenced a fact that is completely contrary to his point, trying to suggest that extreme weather is proof there is no climate change, and his comment was made to ... to ... what purpose exactly? Wind up the left? Appeal to his base? Cause angst and anguish? Win him votes?
I can't personally see the double standards to which you refer, grotesque or otherwise.
Seriously? Your argument basically just comes down to you agree with what Obama thought on climate change so he can say anything he likes. Even if he starts using individual weather events to argue climate trends.
Obama used an extreme weather event to argue that there is climate change. Trump used an extreme weather event to argue there is not climate change. You see a difference between those 2 argument methods.. which is frankly hilarious.
Remember this debate is not about whether climate change exists, different thread for that, it is about a president using an extreme weather event to indicate whether climate change is real. BOTH presidents have done that... yet howls of outrage only occurred for one.So was Obama ignorant or on a wind up? Oh I am going to guess you are going to say neither.. because.. you like Obama and support his views.. therefore he is above critique, how rabidly partisan.
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@catogrande said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@siam said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
So a president commenting on climate change in relation to a weather event is either huge ignorance or a wind up?
Fair enough, I think t was a wind upThe grotesque double standards over this is just a classic example of the Trump derangement syndrome.
You're saying if one doesn't find equivalency with:
Donald Trump's smartarse 30 second Kathy Griffen-esque tweet on social media
With
Obama's 10s of thousand man hours creating, drafting, discussing, editing and passing a new law
Failure to link these events and one is guilty of grotesque double standards?
A 30 second skiting tweet and making a new law (right or wrong) are comparable presidential achievements?
The topic at hand is Trump's "wind up" tweet is it not?
Also, is there a vaccine for THE Trump Derangement syndrome?
Hating Hillary perhaps? Hating Obama? Hating the left?
Can you disapprove of anything Trump does and still be symptom free?
Im both curious and worried by the TDS, i fear it could lead to grotesque double standards.Nope that wasnt what I was saying.
Whilst I agree that Obama got a softer ride from the media than Trump is getting, I really see little equivalence in the two events on topic. One is a President initiating a research programme, using the powers that are available to him such as accredited scientists and then taking action on the findings. Whereas the other is just a bloody tweet, either sarcastic or ignorant. Take your pick, neither is particularly edifying for POTUS.
Your point in re Obama's initiative seems to be that the catalyst for him doing so was without substance or at least misguided and you may well be right. But there is little to compare between the two actions apart from a bit of whataboutery.
Oh right... so if Trump follows up his tweet with initiating a research program.. then that makes it ok? As soon as you initiate a 'research group' you are allowed to link one off weather events with climate change? cool.... although I dont remember outrage from the usual suspects in the intervening time between him saying Climate change was a factor in Hurricane Sandy and the formation and findings of a research group. (although how great he formed a research group on climate change... we were sooooo short of them... and sooo underfunded). Thankfully Obama was such a great man that he could never be accused of using an extreme weather event linked to climate change as an appeal to his base and base politics.. that cost his taxpayers.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@siam said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
So a president commenting on climate change in relation to a weather event is either huge ignorance or a wind up?
Fair enough, I think t was a wind upThe grotesque double standards over this is just a classic example of the Trump derangement syndrome.
You're saying if one doesn't find equivalency with:
Donald Trump's smartarse 30 second Kathy Griffen-esque tweet on social media
With
Obama's 10s of thousand man hours creating, drafting, discussing, editing and passing a new law
Failure to link these events and one is guilty of grotesque double standards?
A 30 second skiting tweet and making a new law (right or wrong) are comparable presidential achievements?
The topic at hand is Trump's "wind up" tweet is it not?
Also, is there a vaccine for THE Trump Derangement syndrome?
Hating Hillary perhaps? Hating Obama? Hating the left?
Can you disapprove of anything Trump does and still be symptom free?
Im both curious and worried by the TDS, i fear it could lead to grotesque double standards.Nope that wasnt what I was saying.
Whilst I agree that Obama got a softer ride from the media than Trump is getting, I really see little equivalence in the two events on topic. One is a President initiating a research programme, using the powers that are available to him such as accredited scientists and then taking action on the findings. Whereas the other is just a bloody tweet, either sarcastic or ignorant. Take your pick, neither is particularly edifying for POTUS.
Your point in re Obama's initiative seems to be that the catalyst for him doing so was without substance or at least misguided and you may well be right. But there is little to compare between the two actions apart from a bit of whataboutery.
Oh right... so if Trump follows up his tweet with initiating a research program.. then that makes it ok? As soon as you initiate a 'research group' you are allowed to link one off weather events with climate change? cool.... although I dont remember outrage from the usual suspects in the intervening time between him saying Climate change was a factor in Hurricane Sandy and the formation and findings of a research group. (although how great he formed a research group on climate change... we were sooooo short of them... and sooo underfunded). Thankfully Obama was such a great man that he could never be accused of using an extreme weather event linked to climate change as an appeal to his base and base politics.. that cost his taxpayers.
Well seeing as we have now descended into using emotive language instead of an actual argument I would counter this by saying that one was actually doing something (right or wrong - that's up for argument as you say on another thread) while the other one was sooo being a twat.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
@snowy said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel Yeah I got that. It doesn't make Trump look very bright - nor the others as you say.
Didn't say it makes him look bright, simply saying it's exactly the same argument used by those going apeshit over his comments.
The hypocrisy in this whole global wa....climate change "debate" is truly something to behold.
Agreed, but on the one hand you have a bunch of scientists and pseudo-scientists, plus assorted media whores and on the other hand you have the most powerful man in the world.
I can live with the former being twats more than I can the latter.
Plenty of international leaders and people with massive power and influence have done exactly the same thing. It's completely false to claim it's just the odd scientist, pseudo scientist or media whore.
Sorry mate that was not the point I was trying to illustrate, more that I would hope for something more from someone in Trump's position.
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@catogrande said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@siam said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
So a president commenting on climate change in relation to a weather event is either huge ignorance or a wind up?
Fair enough, I think t was a wind upThe grotesque double standards over this is just a classic example of the Trump derangement syndrome.
You're saying if one doesn't find equivalency with:
Donald Trump's smartarse 30 second Kathy Griffen-esque tweet on social media
With
Obama's 10s of thousand man hours creating, drafting, discussing, editing and passing a new law
Failure to link these events and one is guilty of grotesque double standards?
A 30 second skiting tweet and making a new law (right or wrong) are comparable presidential achievements?
The topic at hand is Trump's "wind up" tweet is it not?
Also, is there a vaccine for THE Trump Derangement syndrome?
Hating Hillary perhaps? Hating Obama? Hating the left?
Can you disapprove of anything Trump does and still be symptom free?
Im both curious and worried by the TDS, i fear it could lead to grotesque double standards.Nope that wasnt what I was saying.
Whilst I agree that Obama got a softer ride from the media than Trump is getting, I really see little equivalence in the two events on topic. One is a President initiating a research programme, using the powers that are available to him such as accredited scientists and then taking action on the findings. Whereas the other is just a bloody tweet, either sarcastic or ignorant. Take your pick, neither is particularly edifying for POTUS.
Your point in re Obama's initiative seems to be that the catalyst for him doing so was without substance or at least misguided and you may well be right. But there is little to compare between the two actions apart from a bit of whataboutery.
Oh right... so if Trump follows up his tweet with initiating a research program.. then that makes it ok? As soon as you initiate a 'research group' you are allowed to link one off weather events with climate change? cool.... although I dont remember outrage from the usual suspects in the intervening time between him saying Climate change was a factor in Hurricane Sandy and the formation and findings of a research group. (although how great he formed a research group on climate change... we were sooooo short of them... and sooo underfunded). Thankfully Obama was such a great man that he could never be accused of using an extreme weather event linked to climate change as an appeal to his base and base politics.. that cost his taxpayers.
Well seeing as we have now descended into using emotive language instead of an actual argument I would counter this by saying that one was actually doing something (right or wrong - that's up for argument as you say on another thread) while the other one was sooo being a twat.
The emotive rubbish started when people started throwing a tanty over a Trump tweet.
Although interesting that you think Trump pulling out of Paris accord is doing nothing.
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@catogrande said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
@snowy said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel Yeah I got that. It doesn't make Trump look very bright - nor the others as you say.
Didn't say it makes him look bright, simply saying it's exactly the same argument used by those going apeshit over his comments.
The hypocrisy in this whole global wa....climate change "debate" is truly something to behold.
Agreed, but on the one hand you have a bunch of scientists and pseudo-scientists, plus assorted media whores and on the other hand you have the most powerful man in the world.
I can live with the former being twats more than I can the latter.
Plenty of international leaders and people with massive power and influence have done exactly the same thing. It's completely false to claim it's just the odd scientist, pseudo scientist or media whore.
Sorry mate that was not the point I was trying to illustrate, more that I would hope for something more from someone in Trump's position.
But not Obama who was EXACTLY in Trumps position.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@siam said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
So a president commenting on climate change in relation to a weather event is either huge ignorance or a wind up?
Fair enough, I think t was a wind upThe grotesque double standards over this is just a classic example of the Trump derangement syndrome.
You're saying if one doesn't find equivalency with:
Donald Trump's smartarse 30 second Kathy Griffen-esque tweet on social media
With
Obama's 10s of thousand man hours creating, drafting, discussing, editing and passing a new law
Failure to link these events and one is guilty of grotesque double standards?
A 30 second skiting tweet and making a new law (right or wrong) are comparable presidential achievements?
The topic at hand is Trump's "wind up" tweet is it not?
Also, is there a vaccine for THE Trump Derangement syndrome?
Hating Hillary perhaps? Hating Obama? Hating the left?
Can you disapprove of anything Trump does and still be symptom free?
Im both curious and worried by the TDS, i fear it could lead to grotesque double standards.Nope that wasnt what I was saying.
Whilst I agree that Obama got a softer ride from the media than Trump is getting, I really see little equivalence in the two events on topic. One is a President initiating a research programme, using the powers that are available to him such as accredited scientists and then taking action on the findings. Whereas the other is just a bloody tweet, either sarcastic or ignorant. Take your pick, neither is particularly edifying for POTUS.
Your point in re Obama's initiative seems to be that the catalyst for him doing so was without substance or at least misguided and you may well be right. But there is little to compare between the two actions apart from a bit of whataboutery.
Oh right... so if Trump follows up his tweet with initiating a research program.. then that makes it ok? As soon as you initiate a 'research group' you are allowed to link one off weather events with climate change? cool.... although I dont remember outrage from the usual suspects in the intervening time between him saying Climate change was a factor in Hurricane Sandy and the formation and findings of a research group. (although how great he formed a research group on climate change... we were sooooo short of them... and sooo underfunded). Thankfully Obama was such a great man that he could never be accused of using an extreme weather event linked to climate change as an appeal to his base and base politics.. that cost his taxpayers.
Well seeing as we have now descended into using emotive language instead of an actual argument I would counter this by saying that one was actually doing something (right or wrong - that's up for argument as you say on another thread) while the other one was sooo being a twat.
The emotive rubbish started when people started throwing a tanty over a Trump tweet.
Although interesting that you think Trump pulling out of Paris accord is doing nothing.
Unless you mean Obama was being a twat
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