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@Frank said in US Election Thread 2016:
One comment - "Trump is the most transformational candidate of our lifetimes. A paradigm shifter. His campaign is focused on exposing the corrupt power structures that rule over the "free world". People are starting to wake up. 90% of the media, both "news" and "entertainment" is owned by just 6 mega corporations. America is an Orwellian propaganda state where the "journalists", "entertainers", "comedians" and "universities" all promulgate the same pro-establishment narratives. The oligarchs and deep state rule over America like a third world banana republic.ďťż"
Yes, when I want a lucid credible breakdown of current events the youtube comments section is the first place I look. It holds even more weight if the commenter has taken the time to post in caps or bold font.
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@Wairau said in US Election Thread 2016:
...."There is nothing that the political establishment wil not do; no lie they will not tell, to hold their prestige and power at your expense... and that's what's been happening. The Washington establishment - and the financial and media corporations that fund it - exists for one thing only... to protect and enrich itself."....
unlike Donald, right? He brings truth and justice!
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@NTA I think the Don is and has always been an opportunist. Look at his life, his business moves, his foray into the USFL, the way he has constantly tried to build a cult of personality, the Apprentice, he is a consummate self promoter. Look at his stance on any issue, he has changed his position to suit the mood of the day (and denied he ever took the opposite position). He has captured a strong sense of disillusionment from a significant bloc of the GOP and the country and he is running with it. That other stuff about trying to expose the corrupt shadow structures that rule the free world is rubbish, pure TV stuff
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@NTA said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Wairau said in US Election Thread 2016:
...."There is nothing that the political establishment wil not do; no lie they will not tell, to hold their prestige and power at your expense... and that's what's been happening. The Washington establishment - and the financial and media corporations that fund it - exists for one thing only... to protect and enrich itself."....
unlike Donald, right? He brings truth and justice!
A couple of years ago I read the story of Atlantic city , it was by the researcher for Boardwalk empire . Anyway it was written before the gropenfuhrer decided to run, Donald screwed that city over , the people that worked at the casinos and the tradespeople that worked on them were continually fucked over while the buildings got run down through lack of basic maintaince . How anyone could convince themselves he's looking out for the little guy is a mystery to me.
This gives you an idea of what he did there https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/summer-of-trump-ac/ -
@jegga I think many of the people that are voting for him (he is very popular amongst lower class whites) feel they have suffered from the action/inaction of politicians over the years. They like what he says and right now are not considering his previous actions or whether he can follow through on any of it
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@canefan said in US Election Thread 2016:
@jegga I think many of the people that are voting for him (he is very popular amongst lower class whites) feel they have suffered from the action/inaction of politicians over the years. They like what he says and right now are not considering his previous actions or whether he can follow through on any of it
That's the thing. Frank brings up a comment praising Trump for exposing corruption. And? What are Trump's policies to stop corruption? How can we believe anything he says?
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@hydro11 said in US Election Thread 2016:
@canefan said in US Election Thread 2016:
@jegga I think many of the people that are voting for him (he is very popular amongst lower class whites) feel they have suffered from the action/inaction of politicians over the years. They like what he says and right now are not considering his previous actions or whether he can follow through on any of it
That's the thing. Frank brings up a comment praising Trump for exposing corruption. And? What are Trump's policies to stop corruption? How can we believe anything he says?
I know what you are saying H but you are not them, you don't think like them, and clearly all of the other GOP candidates didn't either. Maybe it was their distrust and disgust at all established politicians that has seen him get this far. The anti-establishment card as been his most powerful one, so much so that his less well off supporters disregard his life of privilege
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My support for Trump is based on the conviction that Hillary Clinton represents decay and is totally bought and paid for. Things will continue to deteriorate under her.
Trump is a risk, but he is a risk I am willing to take.
And I revise my statement about Putin - he is five times the statesman Obama for deep reasons even I don't understand. - lol
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@canefan said in US Election Thread 2016:
Note to DonDon; stopped talking to Howard Stern
Those comments were first raised by his primary opponents over a year ago. Strange how some news sources didn't report it until now.. I guess they just made an honest mistake
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@Duluth said in US Election Thread 2016:
@canefan said in US Election Thread 2016:
Note to DonDon; stopped talking to Howard Stern
Those comments were first raised by his primary opponents over a year ago. Strange how some news sources didn't report it until now.. I guess they just made an honest mistake
Honest indeed... Maybe the shadow power structure thought his bid would die a natural death far earlier than now
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Hilary is so corrupt.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-press-buries-hillary-clintons-sins-1476401308
She is also heading towards war with Russia.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback can you paste the article? It wants me to login
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If average voters turned on the TV for five minutes this week, chances are they know that Donald Trump made lewd remarks a decade ago and now stands accused of groping women.
But even if average voters had the TV on 24/7, they still probably havenât heard the news about Hillary Clinton: That the nation now has proof of pretty much everything she has been accused of.
It comes from hacked emails dumped by WikiLeaks, documents released under the Freedom of Information Act, and accounts from FBI insiders. The media has almost uniformly ignored the flurry of bombshells, preferring to devote its front pages to the Trump story. So letâs review what amounts to a devastating case against a Clinton presidency.
Start with a June 2015 email to Clinton staffers from Erika Rottenberg, the former general counsel of LinkedIn. Ms. Rottenberg wrote that none of the attorneys in her circle of friends âcan understand how it was viewed as ok/secure/appropriate to use a private server for secure documents AND why further Hillary took it upon herself to review them and delete documents.â She added: âIt smacks of acting above the law and it smacks of the type of thing Iâve either gotten discovery sanctions for, fired people for, etc.â
A few months later, in a September 2015 email, a Clinton confidante fretted that Mrs. Clinton was too bullheaded to acknowledge sheâd done wrong. âEveryone wants her to apologize,â wrote Neera Tanden, president of the liberal Center for American Progress. âAnd she should. Apologies are like her Achillesâ heel.â
Clinton staffers debated how to evade a congressional subpoena of Mrs. Clintonâs emailsâthree weeks before a technician deleted them. The campaign later employed a focus group to see if it could fool Americans into thinking the email scandal was part of the Benghazi investigation (they are separate) and lay it all off as a Republican plot.
A senior FBI official involved with the Clinton investigation told Fox News this week that the âvast majorityâ of career agents and prosecutors working the case âfelt she should be prosecutedâ and that giving her a pass was âa top-down decision.â
The Obama administrationâthe federal government, supported by tax dollarsâwas working as an extension of the Clinton campaign. The State Department coordinated with her staff in responding to the email scandal, and the Justice Department kept her team informed about developments in the court case.
Worse, Mrs. Clintonâs State Department, as documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show, took special care of donors to the Clinton Foundation. In a series of 2010 emails, a senior aide to Mrs. Clinton asked a foundation official to let her know which groups offering assistance with the Haitian earthquake relief were âFOBâ (Friends of Bill) or âWJC VIPsâ (William Jefferson Clinton VIPs). Those who made the cut appear to have been teed up for contracts. Those who werenât? Routed to a standard government website.
The leaks show that the foundation was indeed the nexus of influence and money. The head of the Clinton Health Access Initiative, Ira Magaziner, suggested in a 2011 email that Bill Clinton call Sheikh Mohammed of Saudi Arabia to thank him for offering the use of a plane. In response, a top Clinton Foundation official wrote: âUnless Sheikh Mo has sent us a $6 million check, this sounds crazy to do.â
The entire progressive apparatusâthe Clinton campaign and boosters at the Center for American Progressâappears to view voters as stupid and tiresome, segregated into groups that must either be cajoled into support or demeaned into silence. We read that Republicans are attracted to Catholicismâs âseverely backwards gender relationsâ and only join the faith to âsound sophisticatedâ; that Democratic leaders such as Bill Richardson are âneedy Latinosâ; that Bernie Sanders supporters are âself-righteousâ; that the only people who watch Miss America âare from the confederacyâ; and that New York Mayor Bill de Blasio is âa terrorist.â
The leaks also show that the press is in Mrs. Clintonâs pocket. Donna Brazile, a former Clinton staffer and a TV pundit, sent the exact wording of a coming CNN town hall question to the campaign in advance of the event. Other media allowed the Clinton camp to veto which quotes they used from interviews, worked to maximize her press events and offered campaign advice.
Mrs. Clinton has been exposed to have no core, to be someone who constantly changes her position to maximize political gain. Leaked speeches prove that she has two positions (public and private) on banks; two positions on the wealthy; two positions on borders; two positions on energy. Her team had endless discussions about what positions she should adopt to appease âthe Red Armyââi.e. âthe base of the Democratic Party.â
Voters might not know any of this, because while both presidential candidates have plenty to answer for, the press has focused solely on taking out Mr. Trump. And the press is doing a diligent job of it.
Write to kim@wsj.com.
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