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@gollum said in US Election Thread 2016:
Bear in mind that neither he, nor any of his staff, has yet read a single one of them and can’t do so until they obtain a court order. So the FBI’s agents have no idea whether these emails are relevant to its Clinton investigation. They don’t even know whether these emails are ones they’ve already seen among the information Ms Abedin previously handed over."
You seriously think Comey had no idea as to the content of the emails.
Members of the NYPD sex crimes unit saw these emails.
People talk.
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The letter was sent before the FBI obtained the warrent to look at the emails.
No, no one in the sex crimes unit has seen those emails. If they have they can be tried &, worse, the entire case against Weiner - and any potential case against Hillary is over. I can get why you might not understand this, but no one in the FBI fails to grasp the basic chain in this.
The idea that senior FBI official read the emails without having first got a warrent (destroying the case & their career) and then told Comey, and Comey did this rather than reporting it (this destroying the case & his career), is so far out into stupidsville.. I really have no words..
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@gollum Frank never said senior FBI official read the emails and told Comey. Why don't you go and read his post again? Then read your stupid arrogant post, and apologise. Do you have the integrity to do that?
This is a direct quote from the WSJ that directly disproves what you said:
The latest development began in early October when New York-based FBI officials notified Andrew McCabe, the bureau’s second-in-command, that while investigating Mr. Weiner for possibly sending sexually charged messages to a teenage minor, they had recovered a laptop. Many of the 650,000 emails on the computer, they said, were from the accounts of Ms. Abedin, according to people familiar with the matter.Those emails stretched back years, these people said, and were on a laptop that hadn’t previously come up in the Clinton email probe. Ms. Abedin said in late August that the couple were separating.
The FBI had searched the computer while looking for child pornography, people familiar with the matter said, but the warrant they used didn’t give them authority to search for matters related to Mrs. Clinton’s email arrangement at the State Department. Mr. Weiner has denied sending explicit or indecent messages to the minor.
In their initial review of the laptop, the metadata showed many messages, apparently in the thousands, that were either sent to or from the private email server at Mrs. Clinton’s home that had been the focus of so much investigative effort for the FBI. Senior FBI officials decided to let the Weiner investigators proceed with a closer examination of the metadata on the computer, and report back to them.
At a meeting early last week of senior Justice Department and FBI officials, a member of the department’s senior national-security staff asked for an update on the Weiner laptop, the people familiar with the matter said. At that point, officials realized that no one had acted to obtain a warrant, these people said.
Mr. McCabe then instructed the email investigators to talk to the Weiner investigators and see whether the laptop’s contents could be relevant to the Clinton email probe, these people said. After the investigators spoke, the agents agreed it was potentially relevant.
Mr. Comey was given an update, decided to go forward with the case and notified Congress on Friday, with explosive results.
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He said Comey was aware of the content of the emails. If that is true its in direct violation of US law. What I said stands. For Comey to know senior officials at the FBI would have needed to directly violate their search. Comney would know that. IE what he said is utter pigshit & wrong. As is what you just said.
Nothing in your WPo quote says they have read Adedins emails - which LEGALLY they are not allowed to do under a warrant issued for Weiner's data.
Here's a very simple direct quote from Justice explaining it (which your WPO post does not)
Twenty-four hours after FBI Director James Comey shook up the presidential race with a letter to lawmakers revealing it had discovered emails that could be related to its investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server, investigators still hadn’t been able to read any of the material. As of Saturday night, the FBI and the Justice Department were still in discussions about obtaining a warrant to let agency officials read the emails that were found on the laptop of disgraced former lawmaker Anthony Weiner, according to Yahoo News reporter Michael Isikoff.
“We do not have a warrant,” a senior law enforcement official said. “Discussions are under way [between the FBI and the Justice Department] as to the best way to move forward.” Isikoff's reporting echoes stories published by both Bloomberg and CBS News that said the FBI had still not been able to secure a warrant to examine the emails by Saturday afternoon.
Although Donald Trump and some of his supporters have suggested that Comey wouldn’t have sent the letter if he didn’t at least have a hint that the information was significant, the truth is he has no clue. When he wrote the letter, “he had no idea what was in the content of the emails,” an official tells Isikoff.
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@gollum ha, I knew you wouldn't apologise, just spittle. Trump has balls. You play too fast with the personal insults.
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@gollum: First, you make a basic error. My article was from a distinguished publisher, and updated at 8pm Sunday evening. Yours was from a leftist magazine, published Sunday morning, obviously written Saturday night-i.e outdated, as is obvious upon reading what you pasted. Now, in answer to your question below, of course I don't think Comey has read the emails. It's all laid out in my first post. Common sense and awareness of the FBI state of discontent with the previous investigation conclusion means that ...well, you can fill in the rest....On another note, this seems to be HRC's Götterdämmerung moment....
Also, Trump up 2 in NH
No more from me on this specific topic tonight, it's tedious. She's as guilty as f*ck. Obviously.
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Your understanding is Comey, the FBI & the NYPD have read Huma's emails, ahead of the letter (and the warrant)? Despite every direct report saying they have not?
And despite the fact that doing so would destroy both the case against Weiner AND Clinton?
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@jegga said in US Election Thread 2016:
Can anyone gleefullly predicting Hilarys demise explain to me how a Trump victory is better for NZ?
Trade wars, tarrifs, and the US deciding that anyone they are in a defence pact with needs to step up & increase their defence spending (on US weapons) if they want to be covered. That doesn't feel entirely positive for us no... And thats without a complete denial of climate change & any chance of averting an increase to extreme weather going, but that not really specific to us.
On the plus side it'll be hilarious & an uppity woman doesn't get to be Pres. Plus white men will once again be on top after their terrible struggles recently.
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@Wairau said in US Election Thread 2016:
@gollum Frank never said senior FBI official read the emails and told Comey. Why don't you go and read his post again? Then read your stupid arrogant post, and apologise. Do you have the integrity to do that?
This is a direct quote from the WSJ that directly disproves what you said:
The latest development began in early October when New York-based FBI officials notified Andrew McCabe, the bureau’s second-in-command, that while investigating Mr. Weiner for possibly sending sexually charged messages to a teenage minor, they had recovered a laptop. Many of the 650,000 emails on the computer, they said, were from the accounts of Ms. Abedin, according to people familiar with the matter.Those emails stretched back years, these people said, and were on a laptop that hadn’t previously come up in the Clinton email probe. Ms. Abedin said in late August that the couple were separating.
The FBI had searched the computer while looking for child pornography, people familiar with the matter said, but the warrant they used didn’t give them authority to search for matters related to Mrs. Clinton’s email arrangement at the State Department. Mr. Weiner has denied sending explicit or indecent messages to the minor.
In their initial review of the laptop, the metadata showed many messages, apparently in the thousands, that were either sent to or from the private email server at Mrs. Clinton’s home that had been the focus of so much investigative effort for the FBI. Senior FBI officials decided to let the Weiner investigators proceed with a closer examination of the metadata on the computer, and report back to them.
At a meeting early last week of senior Justice Department and FBI officials, a member of the department’s senior national-security staff asked for an update on the Weiner laptop, the people familiar with the matter said. At that point, officials realized that no one had acted to obtain a warrant, these people said.
Mr. McCabe then instructed the email investigators to talk to the Weiner investigators and see whether the laptop’s contents could be relevant to the Clinton email probe, these people said. After the investigators spoke, the agents agreed it was potentially relevant.
Mr. Comey was given an update, decided to go forward with the case and notified Congress on Friday, with explosive results.
this only says they looked at metadata, not the emails themselves yeah? i.e. they know sender, recipient, dates etc data from the weiner investigation, but have not been allowed to look at the content of the emails, is the way i read it.
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@Wairau said in US Election Thread 2016:
@gollum ha, I knew you wouldn't apologise, just spittle. Trump has balls. You play too fast with the personal insults.
Edit to fix my formatting, and to reply to
@gollum: First, you make a basic error. My article was from a distinguished publisher, and updated at 8pm Sunday evening. Yours was from a leftist magazine, published Sunday morning, obviously written Saturday night-i.e outdated, as is obvious upon reading what you pasted. Now, in answer to your question below, of course I don't think Comey has read the emails. It's all laid out in my first post. Common sense and awareness of the FBI state of discontent with the previous investigation conclusion means that ...well, you can fill in the rest....On another note, this seems to be HRC's Götterdämmerung moment....
Also, Trump up 2 in NH
No more from me on this specific topic tonight, it's tedious. She's as guilty as f*ck. Obviously.
Obviously guilty. Duly charged and tried in a court of law.
Glad you're across the evidence Wairau. Given that even the FBI don't know what evidence actually is yet ...
HDS is strong.(As I'll note is TDS.)
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If Weiner is cooperating and granting permission the warrant situation is more complex than been described here.
It has been reported that he is being helpful.I think its a fools game to claim to be sure what the FBI knows.. or what it does not know. The amount of official information is almost nil
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@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Election Thread 2016:
@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Catogrande said in US Election Thread 2016:
Now Comey at the FBI is under the spotlight as he was advised by the justice department not to make the new enquiry public as it could be construed as interfering in an election.
I guess Comey really wants Clinton's guts.
My guess is that straight after the election Comey gets to offer Obama his resignation, which will be regretfully accepted.
Didn't realise this, but he has a 10-year term. I don't think he's going anywhere.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Election Thread 2016:
@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
My guess is that straight after the election Comey gets to offer Obama his resignation, which will be regretfully accepted.
Didn't realise this, but he has a 10-year term. I don't think he's going anywhere.
He can be asked to resign, and probably will be I suspect. If he says no it's likely that some Dem lawmakers will push for his prosecution under the Hatch Act, which would probably make his position untenable. If found guilty the AG would be able to dismiss him.
The President can fire him
However, here's what the WH had to say about the Comey conspiracy theory today
I think the Hatch Act talk is going nowhere. If it was a serious position the Democrats wanted to put forward they would have used anyone else other than Harry Reid
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@Wairau said in US Election Thread 2016:
@gollum ha, I knew you wouldn't apologise, just spittle. Trump has balls. You play too fast with the personal insults.
Edit to fix my formatting, and to reply to
@gollum: First, you make a basic error. My article was from a distinguished publisher, and updated at 8pm Sunday evening. Yours was from a leftist magazine, published Sunday morning, obviously written Saturday night-i.e outdated, as is obvious upon reading what you pasted. Now, in answer to your question below, of course I don't think Comey has read the emails. It's all laid out in my first post. Common sense and awareness of the FBI state of discontent with the previous investigation conclusion means that ...well, you can fill in the rest....On another note, this seems to be HRC's Götterdämmerung moment....
Also, Trump up 2 in NH
No more from me on this specific topic tonight, it's tedious. She's as guilty as f*ck. Obviously.
Actually she is innocent. That's the law. In re Winship says so and just because you believe otherwise doesn't change that. Of course she may one day be found guilty of something, but not yet.
I'm not sure where you're going with the whole distinguished publisher vs leftist magazine thing. The leftist article contained a quote from the Justice Dept. Are you suggesting they just made the quote up?
Re Gollum's substantive point though, he's saying that if the FBI had read the emails before having a search warrant prosecutors wouldn't be able to use them in evidence. That's how I understand it: they would be "fruit of the poisonous tree". I can't imagine that they would be so reckless as to jeopardise the possibility of a successful prosecution were they to actually find something, leaving Gollum's colourful language aside, he's probably right when he says that would be a career-ending mistake. Do you and Frank really think they would?
Finally, 650,000 emails? WTF? That's not communication, that's white noise.
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@jegga said in US Election Thread 2016:
Can anyone gleefullly predicting Hilarys demise explain to me how a Trump victory is better for NZ?
I cannot see any way where a Trump presidency would be better for NZ.. except maybe avoiding more global conflict. But that is unlikely either way.
I am pissed off at the media, the regressive left and the system that has let things skew so far into PC madness that we end up with voters willing to let Trump in just to escape the current situation. When it is almost a hate speech to say you are a straight white male, when it considered 'racist' to not like Islam, when it is considered xenophobic to have border controls, free speech is under attack daily by the regressive left etc etc That is the crucible for the fucked up situation we have now where the only outlet many voters have is a huge middle finger as they drag everyone over a cliff.
We are stuck with a 2 party system in most western countries where people cannot speak their mind without hordes of social justice warriors screeching that someone get fired, look at Paul Henry this week... ffs... many people are just completely over the squeaky wheels getting all the grease.
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... and equally fucked up is the way border control is used by some as an excuse for xenophobia and racism, acts of terror committed by muslims are used as an excuse for bigotry, criticising PC is used as an excuse for sexism etc etc.
there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum. i do agree that the middle finger has been lifted by many voters - but i disagree with your reasons. the middle finger was given to jeb bush and all the other republicans too remember: establishment politics and their disconnect from the masses is at least as relevant as your right wing bent.
free speech at least is one of the few things we agree on baron. 'hate speech to say you are a straight white male' is a little bit of an exaggeration though. i'm a straight white male, and i cop zero abuse and zero discrimination for that - as opposed to women, poofs, darkies, muslims etc - who all do. in actual real life that is, not on the telly. -
@reprobate said in US Election Thread 2016:
... and equally fucked up is the way border control is used by some as an excuse for xenophobia and racism, acts of terror committed by muslims are used as an excuse for bigotry, criticising PC is used as an excuse for sexism etc etc.
there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum. i do agree that the middle finger has been lifted by many voters - but i disagree with your reasons. the middle finger was given to jeb bush and all the other republicans too remember: establishment politics and their disconnect from the masses is at least as relevant as your right wing bent.
free speech at least is one of the few things we agree on baron. 'hate speech to say you are a straight white male' is a little bit of an exaggeration though. i'm a straight white male, and i cop zero abuse and zero discrimination for that - as opposed to women, poofs, darkies, muslims etc - who all do. in actual real life that is, not on the telly.IMO you have completely misread my point about why we are in this situation with Trump.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
@jegga said in US Election Thread 2016:
Can anyone gleefullly predicting Hilarys demise explain to me how a Trump victory is better for NZ?
I cannot see any way where a Trump presidency would be better for NZ.. except maybe avoiding more global conflict. But that is unlikely either way.
I am pissed off at the media, the regressive left and the system that has let things skew so far into PC madness that we end up with voters willing to let Trump in just to escape the current situation. When it is almost a hate speech to say you are a straight white male, when it considered 'racist' to not like Islam, when it is considered xenophobic to have border controls, free speech is under attack daily by the regressive left etc etc That is the crucible for the fucked up situation we have now where the only outlet many voters have is a huge middle finger as they drag everyone over a cliff.
We are stuck with a 2 party system in most western countries where people cannot speak their mind without hordes of social justice warriors screeching that someone get fired, look at Paul Henry this week... ffs... many people are just completely over the squeaky wheels getting all the grease.
Fuck me sideways with an XXXL dildo Baron, but if only you'd posted this some 3.000 posts ago and actually nailed your colours to the mast you would have saved probably 2.500 of those posts half of which you were being accused of being a Trump groupie and half of which you weren't categorically denying it. Bloody good work.
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