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@booboo said in US Politics:
@Wairau said in US Politics:
, he had over 30m watching, wheras Obama had 20m.
Obama 38m in '09. Reagan 41m in '81.
not that it matters (at all), but I saw this story so thought I would correct you. The numbers are clear. 20m was Obama's number in 2013. Trump had the largest tally ever including online.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Trump would have been better off taking the piss out of the media for reporting such nonsense. Instead he added to the nonsense of it.
Who gives a flying fuck who got bigger crowds??? Petty crap.Pissing and moaning about the media is great smokescreen. It also sets up the argument that the media can't be trusted, and the victim complex Trump's team are trying to set up. Both things make it easier for them to distract the faster-faster media cycle from any real issues.
Look at Conway's "alternate facts" quote. This is classic Putin: make the truth something unobtainable through confusion. Reduce the media to those you know will question you, and those that will take the role of sycophant.
My twitter feed is currently littered with videos, still photos, and other analyses from both sides about the REAL numbers at the inauguration.
"Look at all the white space!" say the lefties, trying to get double value out of their joke.
"That photo was taken hours before the start!" say the righties, dismissively.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
I think the idea that others were saying is that it's probably better to compare first-term presidents (although, with online viewing I agree that it's probably much higher anyway and that it shouldn't matter at all).
well, yes. that is true. as is the fact that dc is overwhelmingly liberal, and that Obama was a historic inauguration.
I think the only reason I care is because yet again it shows the msm engaged in lying. they did this with trumps crowds all during his campaigns. -
@NTA said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Trump would have been better off taking the piss out of the media for reporting such nonsense. Instead he added to the nonsense of it.
Who gives a flying fuck who got bigger crowds??? Petty crap.Pissing and moaning about the media is great smokescreen. It also sets up the argument that the media can't be trusted, and the victim complex Trump's team are trying to set up. Both things make it easier for them to distract the faster-faster media cycle from any real issues.
Look at Conway's "alternate facts" quote. This is classic Putin: make the truth something unobtainable through confusion. Reduce the media to those you know will question you, and those that will take the role of sycophant.
My twitter feed is currently littered with videos, still photos, and other analyses from both sides about the REAL numbers at the inauguration.
"Look at all the white space!" say the lefties, trying to get double value out of their joke.
"That photo was taken hours before the start!" say the righties, dismissively.
Thing is Nick, they wouldn't be able to piss and moan about the media if the media hadn't totally beclowned themselves during and after the election. Trump can only gain traction with this argument now that the media has destroyed its own credibility.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:
Thing is Nick, they wouldn't be able to piss and moan about the media if the media hadn't totally beclowned themselves during and after the election. Trump can only gain traction with this argument now that the media has destroyed its own credibility.
Goes back further than that, for me.
Since the 24 hour news cycle started, there has been shitloads of filler and not much that is newsworthy.
Even worse: the desire to be first has diluted facts. The value of research is less important for clicks these days, for the bigger networks who kept chasing profit over integrity, never thinking that the latter would eventually provide the former.
Now we have a situation where big networks and organisations aren't trusted for the reason you state (beclowning - nice), and a sticky situation of trying to win back that trust. They cried wolf long and loud, so most people aren't keen to go back to the well.
People now trust the source more than the message. Even if the source is a barking mad Alex Jones or raging Feminazis writing for leftist outlets.
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@NTA
I liked one of your posts. Just thought I'd let you know.In the current press environment, it is in Trump's interest to delegitimize the media as much as possible. I expect it will continue and he will successful unless they lift their blatant bias. Compare this to how they treated Obama. It's a joke.
Edit - I meant delegitmize
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Man, it's going to be a long few years. I am totally sick of the bullshit around the last couple of days from many people who I would normally consider pretty balanced and sane.
I get it, people don't like Trump. Hell, I don't like Trump. But America is a democratic society. He got the greater share of the college vote, he's in power. 50 million people voted for him. 50 MILLION PEOPLE. He said something to those 50 million people that the previous administrators, and all the political analysts/commentators etc didn't. Not to mention all the bloody famous people who have now decided that as they are famous, that everybody wants to hear their opinion. He's earned his shot. You've got to give him his shot. That's democracy, that's freedom, thats how it works.
The womans protest is fucking appalling. I've seen so many stupid meme's with people attending/applauding it with hashtags like #thisisdemocracy. #promotingpeace, #letlovetrumphate, #respect4everybody
etc etc.
Well how about realising that democracy is what got Trump in, promoting peace is actually listening, acknowleding and working with the 50 million people who voted for him, letting love trump hate is not saying/writing things against the 50 million people who voted for him and respect for everybody INCLUDES the 50 million people who voted for him.
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@MajorRage
Can we all agree that making Madonna accountable for being such a dirtbag whore would be a good start to a bit more unity? -
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
Man, it's going to be a long few years. I am totally sick of the bullshit around the last couple of days from many people who I would normally consider pretty balanced and sane.
I get it, people don't like Trump. Hell, I don't like Trump. But America is a democratic society. He got the greater share of the college vote, he's in power. 50 million people voted for him. 50 MILLION PEOPLE. He said something to those 50 million people that the previous administrators, and all the political analysts/commentators etc didn't. Not to mention all the bloody famous people who have now decided that as they are famous, that everybody wants to hear their opinion. He's earned his shot. You've got to give him his shot. That's democracy, that's freedom, thats how it works.
The womans protest is fucking appalling. I've seen so many stupid meme's with people attending/applauding it with hashtags like #thisisdemocracy. #promotingpeace, #letlovetrumphate, #respect4everybody
etc etc.
Well how about realising that democracy is what got Trump in, promoting peace is actually listening, acknowleding and working with the 50 million people who voted for him, letting love trump hate is not saying/writing things against the 50 million people who voted for him and respect for everybody INCLUDES the 50 million people who voted for him.
You forgot "We shall overcomb"
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@Wairau said in US Politics:
I find this pretty distasteful. He's just a very tall 10 year old kid in an uncomfortable environment. Don't you have something better to do than gossiping about children?
Not entirely new tho'
Rush Limbnaugh called Chelsea Clinton a "dog" - when she was 13. And before that called Jimmy Carters daughter the ugliest first child ever. A GOP communications director went to town on (14 year old) Obama kid re her dress length saying she looked like she was at a bar etc. She then apologised. Without actually apologising. Fox News has regularly had to (eventually) disable comments on any story about Obamas kids after, for example, they got -
“I wonder if she applied as a muDslime..or a foreign student..or just a Ni@@er.”
“Hopefully she gets cancer/aids or one of those colored diseases.”
“Another academically challenged affirmative-action parasite steals a place from a qualified White or Asian student.”After the eldest got accepted to Harvard...
Of course those are all alternate facts.
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@MajorRage said in US Politics:
Man, it's going to be a long few years. I am totally sick of the bullshit around the last couple of days from many people who I would normally consider pretty balanced and sane.
I get it, people don't like Trump. Hell, I don't like Trump. But America is a democratic society. He got the greater share of the college vote, he's in power. 50 million people voted for him. 50 MILLION PEOPLE. He said something to those 50 million people that the previous administrators, and all the political analysts/commentators etc didn't. Not to mention all the bloody famous people who have now decided that as they are famous, that everybody wants to hear their opinion. He's earned his shot. You've got to give him his shot. That's democracy, that's freedom, thats how it works.
The womans protest is fucking appalling. I've seen so many stupid meme's with people attending/applauding it with hashtags like #thisisdemocracy. #promotingpeace, #letlovetrumphate, #respect4everybody
etc etc.
Well how about realising that democracy is what got Trump in, promoting peace is actually listening, acknowleding and working with the 50 million people who voted for him, letting love trump hate is not saying/writing things against the 50 million people who voted for him and respect for everybody INCLUDES the 50 million people who voted for him.
I don't disagree with any of this but I would add that democracy also includes the right to protest and/or make feelings known.
if you ignore the fringe element and over the top parts of the women's protest what it boils down to is a section of the public saying to the Trump administration 'OK you won, but don't take that as agreement with your displayed misogyny'.
Yes, it look like sour grapes when done so early in the piece, but I also hope it is a message that may have sunk in a little.
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Trump now saying he will not be releasing his tax returns.
“The White House response is that he’s not going to release his tax returns. We litigated this all through the election. People didn’t care. They voted for him,” Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president, said on Sunday.
Shocked....
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@Crucial Very true Crucial ... but you tell me what has gotten more exposure the last few days. The protests, negative commentary and irrelevant things to the future of US government? Or the future of the US government.
From what I've seen, I'd say it's 95% the former, 5% the latter.
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Its a show of strength to congress as much as anything.
Trump is the most on record anti-woman president pretty much ever, confessed to sexual assault, accused of raping ex wife, wants to defund the no.1 source of womens healthcare in America, wants to stop safe available abortion etc. Nothing in that march will change that, but when it comes to pushing it through congress they will vote less with whats right or their core beliefs, more with what keeps their seat.
Its a play straight out of the Tea Party, who protested Obama a lot - especially on healthcare & tax reform. The TP vocally went to town over Obamacare WAY before most GOP congressmen, those who got on board were fine, those that didn't got thrown out by TP candidates.
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@gollum said in US Politics:
Trump is the most on record anti-woman president pretty much ever, confessed to sexual assault
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@gollum
I am entirely unsurprised by this.His tax return will be very long.
Therefore - MSM can and will run a story with a new "revelation" /"bombshell" every few days for weeks on end. And it is certain they will - whether fair or not.This is about controlling the news cycle against a mostly hostile MSM.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
Trump is the most on record anti-woman president pretty much ever, confessed to sexual assault
He literally on tape saying he grabs women by the pussy. That's sexual assault. To test, try grabbing a woman by the pussy. There's also the, uh, rape thing re Ivanka... I didn't even bother with the strolling into Miss Teen Americas dressing rooms...
Arf! Its like Kellyanne is right here! Nothing to do with who he owes money to & where his money comes from...or a promise made during the election to release them.
Its because the press would harp on about them distracting from the greatness of America thing.
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