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@gollum said in US Politics:
He was full-on demeaning the entire democratic side & everything they stood for! Literally every mention of anyone who wasn't a white working class Trump was demeaning. Tho' I did like the humour in the bit where he said Trump never looks at race. That was humour right?
As opposed to a Democrat demeaning the entire Republican side and everything they stood for? That would never happen. When the Republicans go low the Dems go high. It's their motto dammit.
Seems that you interpret someone expressing support for the white working class as somehow automatically hating against every other class, race and sexuality. You think that a white person (or god forbid a white hetro male) complaining that he's been left behind must, by default, mean that he doesn't want civil rights for minorities, gays and women. I respectively disagree.
Edit: I misread the first part to mean Trump against the Dems, but it seems you meant the writer. Saying that he was demeaning everything the Dems stand for is, again, a stretch.
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Trump is trying to unify Americans under the theme of (legal citizen )America First and basic love of country. This can include all races, genders and sexual orientations - provided they want to buy into it.
At the moment the left sees this as a white dog-whistle politics.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
Trump is trying to unify Americans under the theme of (legal citizen )America First and basic love of country. This can include all races, genders and sexual orientations - provided they want to buy into it.
At the moment the left sees this as a white dog-whistle politics.
Trouble is @Frank it is pretty easy for that viewpoint to take hold when strong supporters of Trump include the likes of the KKK.
Yes, Trump has deployed various tactics when pressed on David Duke's endorsement, from denying knowledge to offhand denouncement, but has never provided the strong categorical denouncement of the KKK and what they stand for.
I don't for one moment think Trump supports or endorses the KKK but for appearances sake he certainly ensures that he doesn't do anything to remove their support for his policies.
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One for you @Frank - it made me chuckle anyway.
The Pontiff's Hat
President Trump invited the Pope for lunch on his mega yacht, the Pope accepted and during lunch, a puff of wind blew the Pontiff's hat off, right into the water.
It floated off about 50 feet, then the wind died down and it just floated in one place.
The crew and the secret service were scrambling to launch a boat to go get it, when Trump waved them off, saying "Never mind, boys, I'll get it."
The Donald climbed over the side of the yacht, walked on the water to the hat, picked it up, walked back on the water, climbed onto the yacht, and handed the Pope his hat.
The crew was speechless. The security team and the Pope's entourage were speechless.
No one knew what to say, not even the Pope.
But that afternoon, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN all knew how to cover the story. Their banner headlines read:
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It is ridiculous to mention Trump and the KKK in the same paragraph, let alone sentence. Common sense dictates that if anyone disputes that, their views are already too intransigent and not worth debating with.
Stat of the day: there are 3,141 counties in America. Trump won 3,084 of them
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@Wairau said in US Politics:
Stat of the day: there are 3,141 counties in America. Trump won 3,084 of them
At the risk of diving into this thread that can scrape the bottom, that sounds like an alternative fact of the day. Snopes disagrees with you.
*Even if you count only 17 states (Breitbart's ten and an additional seven), Clinton won 164 counties in those 17. Even without accounting for the other 33 states, the claim that Trump won all but 57 of America's 3,141 counties appeared to be completely untrue.
The map on which the claim was based came from one of several university projections, but the author of the article and creator of the map repeatedly noted it was a poor reflection of the electoral breakdown.
We were unable to substantiate the "57 counties" number by any mathematical means.*
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Thing I hadn't picked up on, Bannon is hard Christian. Like WAY out there Christian...
In remarks to a 2014 conference at the Vatican, Bannon warned his Christian audience, “We’re at the very beginning stages of a very brutal and bloody conflict.” “We are in an outright war against jihadists, Islam, Islamic fascism,” Bannon continued. He likewise condemned “the immense secularization of the West” and the increasing secularism among millennials.
Bannon stressed that “the people in this room, and the people in the Church” must “bind together and really form what I feel is an aspect of the Church militant, to really be able to not just stand with our beliefs but to fight for our beliefs against this new barbarity that’s starting that will literally eradicate everything that we’ve been bequeathed over the last 2,000 and 2,500 years.” In his speech, Bannon articulated a view of the world as a constant conflict between the capitalist “Judeo-Christian West,” which is a benevolent force of “enlightenment,” and the malevolent forces of socialism, atheism, and Islam.
So he favours war against Islam, but also against aethiests...
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@Wairau interesting map.
the issue with all the US electoral maps is the population distortion in the flyover states. They are just so big, with such a low population density that the map always looks red.
Would be interesting to see the Obama one from 2008 for comparison
Edit: the cartogram from 16
and the map and cartogram from 08
and the cartogram:
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
Trump is trying to unify Americans under the theme of (legal citizen )America First and basic love of country. This can include all races, genders and sexual orientations - provided they want to buy into it.
At the moment the left sees this as a white dog-whistle politics.
Trouble is @Frank it is pretty easy for that viewpoint to take hold when strong supporters of Trump include the likes of the KKK.
Yes, Trump has deployed various tactics when pressed on David Duke's endorsement, from denying knowledge to offhand denouncement, but has never provided the strong categorical denouncement of the KKK and what they stand for.
I don't for one moment think Trump supports or endorses the KKK but for appearances sake he certainly ensures that he doesn't do anything to remove their support for his policies.
This surely must add fuel to the fire that you mention.What, the whole 5 thousand KKK members? Those people that make up 0.0016% of the population? Who gives a flying fuck what they support? In 2016 they are an utterly powerless, insignificant group that are not worth even mentioning. Sorry Crucial but every time I hear people bang on about the KKK and who they do/don't support all I see is a political agenda.
It's amazing that people can be so detached from reality that they think the KKK is still relevant today.
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And in an incredible twist.. protesters are now protesting against Trumps Supreme court nominee.... does anyone actually take any of these protests seriously?
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@gollum said in US Politics:
Thing I hadn't picked up on, Bannon is hard Christian. Like WAY out there Christian...
Or he was just playing to his audience.
Either way, buying into the religious war stupidity makes thise comments about as reasonable as any form of religious extremism.
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wow.... was bad as an endorsement from the KKK
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback "Some of us are working 40 hours" Well fuck me, you poor thing picking cotton all day...
Funny how quiet the crowd went once she suggested white people give up all their stuff for these lazy shits.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback "Some of us are working 40 hours" Well fuck me, you poor thing picking cotton all day...
Funny how quiet the crowd went once she suggested white people give up all their stuff for these lazy shits.
She isn't lazy she works. 40 hours a week in pre school, and as she says.. radicalizing children.
Black Lives Matter is a disgrace. on par with the KKK
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There is nothing good about the BLM movement. Hugely damaging to everybody. The fact Hilary endorsed them during her campaign is just another indication of how out of touch with reality she really was.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
wow.... was bad as an endorsement from the KKK
Christ on a bike! A racist, black supremacist communist teacher. How did she ever manage to work 40 hours a week? It's like the cotton fields all over again.
Odds-on she voted for Obama so I guess that means Obama endorses what she's saying right?
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
Trump is trying to unify Americans under the theme of (legal citizen )America First and basic love of country. This can include all races, genders and sexual orientations - provided they want to buy into it.
At the moment the left sees this as a white dog-whistle politics.
Trouble is @Frank it is pretty easy for that viewpoint to take hold when strong supporters of Trump include the likes of the KKK.
Yes, Trump has deployed various tactics when pressed on David Duke's endorsement, from denying knowledge to offhand denouncement, but bolded texthas never provided the strong categorical denouncement of the KKK and what they stand for. bolded text
I don't for one moment think Trump supports or endorses the KKK but for appearances sake he certainly ensures that he doesn't do anything to remove their support for his policies.
This surely must add fuel to the fire that you mention.This is a pretty incredible post. Go to YouTube, type Trump denounces KKK and you'll find literally dozens of examples of him denouncing KKK, David Duke and white supremacists. What else would you have him do? Lead a posse to Buttfuck Alabama to hunt them down?
Obama has been endorsed by Black Panthers and black supremacists. His former "spiritual advisor" has said some wonderfully choice things about white people and America. Like Trump, he's disavowed them and that seems good enough for you. So why this incredible double standard?
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Yet more evidence that Yates was just an Obama flunky playing politics.
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