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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
So if this happened.... Coney waited until he was fired before bringing it up?
Perhaps he never expected to need to, assuming he was able to complete his investigation to the best of his ability?
As someone else said above, it is illegal for him not to. And given statements from the acting directed under oath the investigation has faced no inteference.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
If the pattern holds up, the White House statement regarding this will probably be undone by Trump via Twitter.
Funny because its true.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
So if this happened.... Coney waited until he was fired before bringing it up?
Perhaps he never expected to need to, assuming he was able to complete his investigation to the best of his ability?
As someone else said above, it is illegal for him not to. And given statements from the acting directed under oath the investigation has faced no inteference.
Maybe he wasn't sure if Trump was trying to obstruct the investigation, but thought it best to make notes of the encounter, just in case?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
So if this happened.... Coney waited until he was fired before bringing it up?
Perhaps he never expected to need to, assuming he was able to complete his investigation to the best of his ability?
As someone else said above, it is illegal for him not to. And given statements from the acting directed under oath the investigation has faced no inteference.
Don't think it's that simple. Comeys notes on their own may only infer obstruction. Add them to his sacking and Trumps admission why and they become much stronger. Once actions back up words those words become important evidence.
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Either way there is a impulsiveness about how he operates, maverick-esque, that raises the risk of big fuck ups imo. But by the same token it also lets him bull through red tape or folks trying to slow things down to score points (aka politics!).
If he'd been a bit more thoughtful or a bit less maverick-esque I reckon he'd have his immigration policy changes through without any court dramas by now. The classic case of his strengths also being his weakness at times...
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@Donsteppa said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Either way there is a impulsiveness about how he operates, maverick-esque, that raises the risk of big fuck ups imo. But by the same token it also lets him bull through red tape or folks trying to slow things down to score points (aka politics!).
If he'd been a bit more thoughtful or a bit less maverick-esque I reckon he'd have his immigration policy changes through without any court dramas by now. The classic case of his strengths also being his weakness at times...
You are dreaming mate. The Trump derangement is far to strong. If he calls a color black... he is told it is white...(and rascist)
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Either way there is a impulsiveness about how he operates, maverick-esque, that raises the risk of big fuck ups imo. But by the same token it also lets him bull through red tape or folks trying to slow things down to score points (aka politics!).
If he'd been a bit more thoughtful or a bit less maverick-esque I reckon he'd have his immigration policy changes through without any court dramas by now. The classic case of his strengths also being his weakness at times...
You are dreaming mate. The Trump derangement is far to strong. If he calls a color black... he is told it is white...(and rascist)
You don't really think that his problems are caused by everyone else and not his own actions?
Surely blaming "Trump derangement syndrome" or whatever other catch phrase you want to attach is having your head in the sand and ignoring his own responsibilities for his actions.Yes, there are people who jump at his every moment. There are also plenty of people who see his bumbling and arrogance for what it is and fairly judge it so.
It's like the catch phrase propaganda of "drain the swamp" (pulled out whenever an incumbent politician/public servant points out a failing as if they are the problem.
Or like "fake news" used to dismiss any reporting that is negative. There is fake news around but it isn't when a report is based on information from a credible, checked out source. It may not have the facts 100% correct but is well based in truth enough to draw the facts out.Swallowing these catch phrases is swallowing the propaganda.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Either way there is a impulsiveness about how he operates, maverick-esque, that raises the risk of big fuck ups imo. But by the same token it also lets him bull through red tape or folks trying to slow things down to score points (aka politics!).
If he'd been a bit more thoughtful or a bit less maverick-esque I reckon he'd have his immigration policy changes through without any court dramas by now. The classic case of his strengths also being his weakness at times...
You are dreaming mate. The Trump derangement is far to strong. If he calls a color black... he is told it is white...(and rascist)
You don't really think that his problems are caused by everyone else and not his own actions?
Surely blaming "Trump derangement syndrome" or whatever other catch phrase you want to attach is having your head in the sand and ignoring his own responsibilities for his actions.Yes, there are people who jump at his every moment. There are also plenty of people who see his bumbling and arrogance for what it is and fairly judge it so.
It's like the catch phrase propaganda of "drain the swamp" (pulled out whenever an incumbent politician/public servant points out a failing as if they are the problem.
Or like "fake news" used to dismiss any reporting that is negative. There is fake news around but it isn't when a report is based on information from a credible, checked out source. It may not have the facts 100% correct but is well based in truth enough to draw the facts out.Swallowing these catch phrases is swallowing the propaganda.
"Change"
"Can we do it? Yes we can!"
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Either way there is a impulsiveness about how he operates, maverick-esque, that raises the risk of big fuck ups imo. But by the same token it also lets him bull through red tape or folks trying to slow things down to score points (aka politics!).
If he'd been a bit more thoughtful or a bit less maverick-esque I reckon he'd have his immigration policy changes through without any court dramas by now. The classic case of his strengths also being his weakness at times...
You are dreaming mate. The Trump derangement is far to strong. If he calls a color black... he is told it is white...(and rascist)
You don't really think that his problems are caused by everyone else and not his own actions?
Surely blaming "Trump derangement syndrome" or whatever other catch phrase you want to attach is having your head in the sand and ignoring his own responsibilities for his actions.Yes, there are people who jump at his every moment. There are also plenty of people who see his bumbling and arrogance for what it is and fairly judge it so.
It's like the catch phrase propaganda of "drain the swamp" (pulled out whenever an incumbent politician/public servant points out a failing as if they are the problem.
Or like "fake news" used to dismiss any reporting that is negative. There is fake news around but it isn't when a report is based on information from a credible, checked out source. It may not have the facts 100% correct but is well based in truth enough to draw the facts out.Swallowing these catch phrases is swallowing the propaganda.
"Change"
"Can we do it? Yes we can!"
and?
Whataboutery doesn't change the point at all.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Either way there is a impulsiveness about how he operates, maverick-esque, that raises the risk of big fuck ups imo. But by the same token it also lets him bull through red tape or folks trying to slow things down to score points (aka politics!).
If he'd been a bit more thoughtful or a bit less maverick-esque I reckon he'd have his immigration policy changes through without any court dramas by now. The classic case of his strengths also being his weakness at times...
You are dreaming mate. The Trump derangement is far to strong. If he calls a color black... he is told it is white...(and rascist)
You don't really think that his problems are caused by everyone else and not his own actions?
Surely blaming "Trump derangement syndrome" or whatever other catch phrase you want to attach is having your head in the sand and ignoring his own responsibilities for his actions.Yes, there are people who jump at his every moment. There are also plenty of people who see his bumbling and arrogance for what it is and fairly judge it so.
It's like the catch phrase propaganda of "drain the swamp" (pulled out whenever an incumbent politician/public servant points out a failing as if they are the problem.
Or like "fake news" used to dismiss any reporting that is negative. There is fake news around but it isn't when a report is based on information from a credible, checked out source. It may not have the facts 100% correct but is well based in truth enough to draw the facts out.Swallowing these catch phrases is swallowing the propaganda.
It is a mixture of both, of course Trump has done things that I dont like or that dont follow 'protocol', but he has not broken any laws. The way many people and the media react is completely and utterly out of control.
'Drain the Swamp' is getting less and less propaganda and more like harsh reality as you see the vitriol, leaks and media hatred towards him. You can see it as a catch phrase, or you can see it as a goal.
As for fake news, that is VERY much a reality, CNN colluding with Clinton, Washington Post and New York Times writing untrue articles, always on the attack in opinion pieces, NOT sourcing material at all, or very badly. It isn't about being 100% correct it is about being correct enough so as to now lead readers to complete and utterly wrong conclusions. Just saying you have sources means absolutely squat... the amount of anonymous sources for these stories is through the roof. The amount of leaking is through the roof. You see that as Trumps fault, I dont, I see it as a previous administration and left wing bureaucrats doing absolutely everything they ca to 'resist'.. oh heck is that a catchphrase? -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Just to clarify something, I'm pretty sure that he doesn't just 'have the right' to declassify information as and when he feels like it. There is a process to follow including an executive order.
Int networks take a long time to build and a short time to destroy.
OK I let this slide as I didnt have the information and was ignorant about it, but I was just watching a senator n the intel committee Senator Risch say pretty much exactly the opposite to what you claim.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Either way there is a impulsiveness about how he operates, maverick-esque, that raises the risk of big fuck ups imo. But by the same token it also lets him bull through red tape or folks trying to slow things down to score points (aka politics!).
If he'd been a bit more thoughtful or a bit less maverick-esque I reckon he'd have his immigration policy changes through without any court dramas by now. The classic case of his strengths also being his weakness at times...
You are dreaming mate. The Trump derangement is far to strong. If he calls a color black... he is told it is white...(and rascist)
You don't really think that his problems are caused by everyone else and not his own actions?
Surely blaming "Trump derangement syndrome" or whatever other catch phrase you want to attach is having your head in the sand and ignoring his own responsibilities for his actions.Yes, there are people who jump at his every moment. There are also plenty of people who see his bumbling and arrogance for what it is and fairly judge it so.
It's like the catch phrase propaganda of "drain the swamp" (pulled out whenever an incumbent politician/public servant points out a failing as if they are the problem.
Or like "fake news" used to dismiss any reporting that is negative. There is fake news around but it isn't when a report is based on information from a credible, checked out source. It may not have the facts 100% correct but is well based in truth enough to draw the facts out.Swallowing these catch phrases is swallowing the propaganda.
"Change"
"Can we do it? Yes we can!"
and?
Whataboutery doesn't change the point at all.
Your point is also wrong because the Fake News and Drain the Swamp mean real things to real people. To just belittle them to nothing but catchphrases may suit his opponents but doesnt change the meaning and effect to others.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Just to clarify something, I'm pretty sure that he doesn't just 'have the right' to declassify information as and when he feels like it. There is a process to follow including an executive order.
Int networks take a long time to build and a short time to destroy.
OK I let this slide as I didnt have the information and was ignorant about it, but I was just watching a senator n the intel committee Senator Risch say pretty much exactly the opposite to what you claim.
Can you give a source for your claim?I will track something down later. I could have the context wrong and the rules may be around declassification of documents themselves.
I also read something this morning that implied he wasn't breaking any laws as he can ultimately decide what is and isn't classified.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Either way there is a impulsiveness about how he operates, maverick-esque, that raises the risk of big fuck ups imo. But by the same token it also lets him bull through red tape or folks trying to slow things down to score points (aka politics!).
If he'd been a bit more thoughtful or a bit less maverick-esque I reckon he'd have his immigration policy changes through without any court dramas by now. The classic case of his strengths also being his weakness at times...
You are dreaming mate. The Trump derangement is far to strong. If he calls a color black... he is told it is white...(and rascist)
You don't really think that his problems are caused by everyone else and not his own actions?
Surely blaming "Trump derangement syndrome" or whatever other catch phrase you want to attach is having your head in the sand and ignoring his own responsibilities for his actions.Yes, there are people who jump at his every moment. There are also plenty of people who see his bumbling and arrogance for what it is and fairly judge it so.
It's like the catch phrase propaganda of "drain the swamp" (pulled out whenever an incumbent politician/public servant points out a failing as if they are the problem.
Or like "fake news" used to dismiss any reporting that is negative. There is fake news around but it isn't when a report is based on information from a credible, checked out source. It may not have the facts 100% correct but is well based in truth enough to draw the facts out.Swallowing these catch phrases is swallowing the propaganda.
It is a mixture of both, of course Trump has done things that I dont like or that dont follow 'protocol', but he has not broken any laws. The way many people and the media react is completely and utterly out of control.
'Drain the Swamp' is getting less and less propaganda and more like harsh reality as you see the vitriol, leaks and media hatred towards him. You can see it as a catch phrase, or you can see it as a goal.
As for fake news, that is VERY much a reality, CNN colluding with Clinton, Washington Post and New York Times writing untrue articles, always on the attack in opinion pieces, NOT sourcing material at all, or very badly. It isn't about being 100% correct it is about being correct enough so as to now lead readers to complete and utterly wrong conclusions. Just saying you have sources means absolutely squat... the amount of anonymous sources for these stories is through the roof. The amount of leaking is through the roof. You see that as Trumps fault, I dont, I see it as a previous administration and left wing bureaucrats doing absolutely everything they ca to 'resist'.. oh heck is that a catchphrase?How are negative opinion pieces fake? They are opinions just like yours or mine.
My point is that while there are examples of stories that have not been checked out well enough, everything is being decried as fake including stories that do have checked out sources. It has become a catchphrase to shift blame.
No matter how or where the stories come from or the intention of the leakers, if they are true then they are true.
Dismissing sources because they are anonymous is a bit silly as well. You really think someone is going to put their name to stuff? Anonymous sources have been and always will be part of journalism.
It isn't anonymous sources that issue statements that turn out to be lies. It isn't anonymous sources that continue to back up a guy that lies about connections with a foreign power (take your pick on two if you want). It isn't anonymous sources or fake news that break security protocols ,,,,
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Either way there is a impulsiveness about how he operates, maverick-esque, that raises the risk of big fuck ups imo. But by the same token it also lets him bull through red tape or folks trying to slow things down to score points (aka politics!).
If he'd been a bit more thoughtful or a bit less maverick-esque I reckon he'd have his immigration policy changes through without any court dramas by now. The classic case of his strengths also being his weakness at times...
You are dreaming mate. The Trump derangement is far to strong. If he calls a color black... he is told it is white...(and rascist)
It's also a nice dream to sheet it back to derangement syndrome on occasions when he does err.
I haven't read through the ins and outs of the immigration restrictions and the proposed methods since it first started (and won't die in a ditch over it accordingly). I just remember thinking there were more subtle and more effective policy ways to achieve exactly the same thing - or even stronger immigration restrictions - without risking it via a judge...
Especially as the President and his Administration could hardly have been surprised by the desperation of his opposition to throw spanners in the works - given the level of hysteria since the election... this Administration will have to dot all the i's and cross all the t's more than most.
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Since WaPo and NYT are so fond of anonymous sources, I figured why not post a story with some named sources. .
This is the family spokesperson mentioned in the article.
http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/brad-bauman-seth-rich-dnc-family-democrat-pastorum-group-wikileaks/
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