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Chechnya , Dagestan etc are festering holes that export Islamic terrorism, the Boston marathon bombers came from that part of the world . Here's one of their more famous atrocities
If I was Trump I'd have a serious look at banning immigration from that part if the world , where these Ferals go trouble is sure to follow. Live leak etc have videos up of Russian security forces trying to deal with them .
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Fark me, that is mind blowing. Poor bastards trying to live in that horrid situation. Some fuckers are just pure evil aye
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@No-Quarter said in US Politics:
On Hilary, if memory serves me correctly I think the key criticism was the hypocrisy. She was running a campaign virtue signalling about women's rights and gay rights etc, yet that same campaign was being funded by people that absolutely don't stand for any of those things. So don't believe what she says. Which is probably a fair point TBH.
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During an October debate, Trump also told Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, "Saudi Arabia giving $25 million, Qatar, all of these countries. You talk about women and women's rights? So these are people that push gays off business - off buildings. These are people that kill women and treat women horribly. And yet you take their money."
Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates will donate a combined $100 million to a World Bank fund for women entrepreneurs that was the brainchild of Ivanka Trump.
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@gollum slightly different, as Ivanka Trump will not be involved in the operations of the World Bank fund - neither will Angela Merkell who also proposed the idea.
But I take your point. Saudi Arabia and Qatar have a habit of making hypocrites out of people by chucking large sums of money their way. They are an absolute plague.
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@gollum Good point about Iran. I can understand the US backing Qatar and Saudi but they continue to back the wrong horses. If the royal family lose control Saudi Arabia have plenty of new kit to shoot each other and anyone else they take issue with
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Same thing happened with the Shah, they sold him huge amounts of excellent stuff (F-14's, AIM-54's) that the Russians then got to look at & that the Iranians under the Ayatollah's have reverse engineered.
ISIS are currently driving round in US Humvees.
Saudi is a horribly unstable regime, half the country is unnemployed & its all propped up by the oil price, shale has utterly fucked them.
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@gollum said in US Politics:
Same thing happened with the Shah, they sold him huge amounts of excellent stuff (F-14's, AIM-54's) that the Russians then got to look at & that the Iranians under the Ayatollah's have reverse engineered.
Reminds me of 'Atlee's gift'.
After WWII the soviets were struggling to build anything from the german jet designs they had so boldly asked the Brits if they could buy a Rolls Royce to look at. To their surprise the Brits wouldn't sell them one but gave them 25 instead!
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A perspective on Saudi and Trump strategy
Saudi relationship and policy is not driven on a tit-for-tat basis. This is strategy. Long term stuff.
Someone earlier said we don't need their oil. You are right we do not need it. What we do need is for them to produce their oil and not sit on it.
Like I explained many pages back before, crude oil is bought and sold on the global market. No crude oil trader comes into the office on Monday and says, "Gee let me fire up my computer so I can start buying some good ol' crude from America, so that I can feel good when I sleep at night."
They buy based on price. Period. So if the current OPEC production is a certain percentage that assists with a barrel costing $70.14 USD on that Monday, he is going to buy whatever is being sold at that exact price, or for cheaper, especially if he is buying futures or something similar.
The ONLY place he cannot buy oil from, is Iran, Syria, or Venezuela. That's it. So as long as the crude did not come from those places, he is good to go. Today he might buy oil from Aberdeen, tomorrow maybe Texas, or maybe 16 different places in one day. The key is that he bought it based on price and cost to move it. Not because of the exact location. The US govt. only blocks him from buying from embargoed countries, like the three mentioned earlier.
Saudi/OPEC oil helps keep the economy from getting out of control. When oil prices are too high everyone's economy hurts. Most goods and services require oil energy to make it from point A to point B. Truck shipping, Cargo Ships, Agriculture, Trains, Planes, etc. If they have to pay $150 per barrel to fuel up, they will transfer the cost to you, the consumer. Your job does not adjust your salary to what the price of a barrel is per week. Your cost of living will skyrocket, and the economy will shrink, jobs will get cut, and liquidity/capital/investments will go down.
Since cartels (OPEC) are technically illegal in the US and Canada, we have to manage the relationship with the Saudis. We cannot just ignore them. It hurts US Foreign Policy, US Monetary Policy, US Energy Policy, US Military Strategy, US Mobilization (military), etc. We cannot protect US interests, allies, and assets without a stable economy.
It takes ALOT of different dynamics to keep things going the way they are now.
Is this relationship with the Saudis perfect? Hell fuck no. If she was your fuckbuddy, she was responsible for another bitch keying up your car at your house, but knows you would not be able to prove it if you confronted her about it. She wants more of your time, but has a very passive aggressive way of going about it. How do you manage this or the Saudis? Better Information Control or Game. It's that simple. Just like with women, offering only money does not work.
Another concept to understand is that the Royal family may or may not have been able to stop the 9/11 event. Because actual Saudis are so wealthy to begin with, they are less likely to suicide as much as other Muslims. Does money always fix things? No because Bin Laden was loaded and gave zero fucks. He had no interest in shitting on blonde women's chests and driving Lambos down the street fast as fuck.
What does not make any sense whatsoever is destroying the Saudi Royal Family. That would just create another Iran. Is that what you want? Saddam had no business being ousted and look at what that created. ISIS and all those insurgencies before that! He was all that kept that place from being chaotic and we fucked that up. If we allowed Saudi to turnover like that, it would be even worse than Iraq. Saudi citizens themselves are afraid of the Non-Saudi Citizen Muslims around them and inside their own country, because they know how fraud most of them are, and they covet their wealth. The Saudi's would allow us to roll our tanks through their country if Iran or other's attacked them or similar interests.
By keeping the Royal Family armed and prepared, we can keep another Arab Spring from happening there. Kuwait and Qatar ditto.
Besides, it's always good to keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Much easier that way.
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