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@JC said in US Politics:
Short answer is no. Like most things he talked a much better game than he delivered.
He delivered a lot
Changed the supreme court balance and many other courts
New trade agreement with Canada and Mexico. This can be used as a building block for other trade agreements
Energy independence
Pulled out of this terrible (for the US) Paris accord
Starting bringing the troops home
Stopped the big pharma price rip off
Good progress with the wall with lots of opposition
Started challenging China. Rather than selling out
Nato, Put pressure on countries to front up financially
Rebuilt the military
Stood up to the terrible mainstream media
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
It's a bit silly and not really funny.
Because the issue is counting extra votes. Or counting the votes without observers checking and adding them to the wrong tally -
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@Siam said in US Politics:
Dickface at least "pretended" to offer walls ( immigration checks), swamp draining and manufacturing.
But this is exactly the point: policies you never intend to implement are as bad as no policy at all. They basically gave the Dems a free run to stand for generalities because that is politics now.
The question is: what did Trump actually achieve in terms of walls, draining swamps (exactly the opposite I'd have thought) and supercharging the economy. Four years of saying he'd improve healthcare and it still looks like Obamacare.
As @Crucial said: " ... of two poor options one was less poor than the other."
That is politics now. Look at Australia - Smuggy McShitMyPants or Anthony Alboring. Both sides held hostage by other groups. It is terrible, but it isn't (quite) Trump terrible.
Yeah, I'm sure neither of us have the will or inclination to properly assess Trump's America performance suffice to say it trucked along pretty well pre covid and never descended into the ruinous gloom predictions 4 years ago.
He did invigorate the lower classes and received the highest vote since 1969 from non whites for a Republican party. Apparently Gallup did a poll showing most people happier than the Obama era - but whatevs. Challenging Critical Race Theory was his finest achievement in my eyes.
Most problems about him related to his personality.
I'm wrestling with an analogy of ditching Shane Warne for Daniel Vettori and expecting better results.But, resigned now that Biden leads the "greatest country in the history of humanity" so let's see how he copes with the treatment Don don got from an outrage obsessed media.
Good luck democrats, I defended Republicans on the basis that the people chose so, like Fozzie, he gets a chance to strut his stuff.
Congrats to the first female president 😉
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
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@Siam said in US Politics:
Can the pro democrats people please let us know what policies you're most looking forward to seeing implemented?
Genuinely interested
Not many pro-Dems here. Just some that think that of two poor options one was less poor than the other.
What I am hoping for is less pandering to (and driving) of division in the country. Don't know if that will happen but not having a narcissist liar at the helm is a start.
Some proper leadership around some of the big issues facing folk would be the next on the list.
I am hoping that the 'further from centre' thinking is put aside for a while in an attempt to heal.Is this about Trump or Biden?
Recent example was after BLM protests / ANTIFA / riots and destruction had been occurring for some time, only after polling that showed the public tide turning when it came to destruction of property and businesses, that the former VP came out publicly and called it out. CNN changed their tune also.
Why not come out early and take a strong stance against it? To me that is the definition of pandering to division.
I don’t disagree. I think everyone has fallen into a horrible hole of whataboutism and trying to outscore each other by heading to the opposite position.
My comment was directed at both, but a bit more so at Trump. Divide at conquer is a big part of his playbook. Bidens pandering is more not criticising than offering encouragementI’m certainly not a fan of either. I just see many accusations towards Trump that could equally be labelled at Biden and his actions and vice versa.
Harris has fallen into the trap as well.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@JC said in US Politics:
Short answer is no. Like most things he talked a much better game than he delivered.
He delivered a lot
Changed the supreme court balance and many other courts
Now I know you like a conspiracy theory, but I don't really think he knocked those former judges off.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@JC said in US Politics:
Short answer is no. Like most things he talked a much better game than he delivered.
He delivered a lot
Changed the supreme court balance and many other courts
Now I know you like a conspiracy theory, but I don't really think he knocked those former judges off.
Where Trump is concerned, its "fortunate coincidence"
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
It's a bit silly and not really funny.
Because the issue is counting extra votes. Or counting the votes without observers checking and adding them to the wrong tallyWrong it’s Piss funny 😂
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@Winger well, thus far it's certainly an interesting story: 4 years of continuous, unabashed frothing by the msm and dems to get the legally elected president ousted from office and then voila! 100,000 votes in Michigan and Wisconsin delivered to your door at 4am 🤔.
Nevermind, the dems love a presidential investigation so with Don Lemon's help we'll doubtless uncover the truth.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@JC said in US Politics:
Short answer is no. Like most things he talked a much better game than he delivered.
He delivered a lot
Changed the supreme court balance and many other courts
This isn’t really an achievement. It’s just taking advantage of an opportunity because it depends on judges dying. Obama would have done the same if he’d had enough judges go on his watch.
New trade agreement with Canada and Mexico. This can be used as a building block for other trade agreements
It’s NAFTA with a new frock.
Energy independence
That started a lot longer than 4 years ago and was mainly a function of new technologies becoming economically viable.
Pulled out of this terrible (for the US) Paris accord
Yep
Starting bringing the troops home
No, he continued bringing the troops home
Stopped the big pharma price rip off
He’s hardly dented it
Good progress with the wall with lots of opposition
But not built eh? And not paid for by the Mexicans.
Started challenging China. Rather than selling out
Not really. Some tariffs with debatable benefits. Should have done better given the almost universal backing from the public.
Nato, Put pressure on countries to front up financially
With no real effect
Rebuilt the military
For what purpose? You said you wanted all the troops home, so what’s he going to do with all that military? Which is it?
Stood up to the terrible mainstream media
And? What has it changed?
etc
lol
Edit: Look I know it’s not all his fault that he couldn’t get any bipartisan support for what he wanted, but the fact remains he hasn’t achieved as much as you say. You missed the Israel deals for which he can take credit. But really, there’s not a lot of substance in his legacy for someone so bullish. I suspect it’s because he’s a gadfly and won’t spend any intellectual capital on anything that’s not personally engaging to him. Which is common, but not great for a president.
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@JC trying to be objective I heard his name around things like gay rights in Muslim countries, reviewing wrongly incarcerated inmates ( with kim kardashian), lowest black unemployment figures. Maybe just clever publicity but it's in the same vein as Obama and drone strikes on weddings - you dunno how much he was actually responsible for.
I guess he somehow threw a different filter on what we thought of politics and how venal it actually is.
That thing with the north Korean haircut was unique, and well executed in the end. That was the bit that turned me to focus on his work, not his grotesque character.
Now Biden's got 4 years to determine Trump's place in presidential history.
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@Siam He strikes me as a placeholder president. For me, he was never going to achieve very much because he doesn’t seem to have the attention span.
He’s not stupid (although nowhere near as smart as he says he is IMO) but I don’t think he has the type of brain that solves difficult problems because he lacks that ability to just be still, empty his mind of preconceptions and and let himself think. Thought leadership takes discipline, which he lacks.
He will be the kind that believes he knows the answer to everything instinctively, which is just rehashing what you already believe. That’s a weakness, but he thinks it’s a strength.
On the other hand he’s not a leader. He can’t do the big picture stuff and lead a shit hot team to get stuff done, because I can’t see anybody being unfailingly loyal to him, because he’ll never be loyal back. He will take credit for people’s work, throw them under a bus, and won’t even see the point of nursing a teammate through a tricky patch.
Just my take on it FWIW.
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@booboo said in US Politics:
Anyone else finding the Donald Trump circus in equal parts entertaining and concerning? <br><br>
How is he even in the race?<br><br>
Is the any realistic possibility he could be there at the pointy end?You could have reposted this this week
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@Nevorian said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
Anyone else finding the Donald Trump circus in equal parts entertaining and concerning? <br><br>
How is he even in the race?<br><br>
Is the any realistic possibility he could be there at the pointy end?You could have reposted this this week
That was over FIVE years ago...
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Anyone won yet?
Haven't checked up for a bit.
Last I looked (few hours ago) seemed Biden would get 270-268 if he nabbed Nevada.
And there didn't seem to be a lot of close states where DJT could try and over turn anything.
Have I missed anything in the that 4-5 hours?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
Good progress with the wall with lots of opposition
About 15 miles of new wall, replacing around 300mi of barrier in disrepair last time I read up about it.
Not surprising that there was opposition to it, as it is a costly exercise that achieves very little. Lot of tunnels under the border, and lot of drones flying over it. Of course the Mexican equivalent of Bunnings is doing a roaring trade in power tools.
Bit of a white elephant really, well at least the bits that haven't blown down. Sub-contractors, eh? Can't trust 'em.
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