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@pakman said in US Politics:
There are 18 states where the electoral college members are legally able to vote differently to the popular vote in their state. One or two faithless voters would change everything.
Would only be fair for comparison. Let's recount the whole thing!
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@reprobate I agree mate. But I think it's kind of shown two types of 'leaders' aka winners that seem to get traction in the states. The first is the statesmen-type, articulate, informed, aka more in the mold of your usual politician. Then there's the maverick, wild-card, type leader who is all fire and unconstrainted by protocol or usual practice. Trump is definitely the latter (imo) but he's also a political outsider, so that adds even more to his mana in the eyes of those suspicious of slick politicians.
Somehow there is a blind eye turned to his membership in the elite (multi-generational elite) as he's such a dynamic and successful businessman (insert whatever level of sarcasm you feel appropriate).
But however you view him he has been a lightning rod for nearly half of the US who are clearly turned off by their other options (or non-options). But it's a huge failure for the democrats that they have continued to read the room so poorly and haven't made any real strides and re-engaging with the stuff that is important for many of those Trump supporters - especially those that really don't like Trump but hate Dem policy.
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@reprobate I agree mate. But I think it's kind of shown two types of 'leaders' aka winners that seem to get traction in the states. The first is the statesmen-type, articulate, informed, aka more in the mold of your usual politician. Then there's the maverick, wild-card, type leader who is all fire and unconstrainted by protocol or usual practice. Trump is definitely the latter (imo) but he's also a political outsider, so that adds even more to his mana in the eyes of those suspicious of slick politicians.
Somehow there is a blind eye turned to his membership in the elite (multi-generational elite) as he's such a dynamic and successful businessman (insert whatever level of sarcasm you feel appropriate).
But however you view him he has been a lightning rod for nearly half of the US who are clearly turned off by their other options (or non-options). But it's a huge failure for the democrats that they have continued to read the room so poorly and haven't made any real strides and re-engaging with the stuff that is important for many of those Trump supporters - especially those that really don't like Trump but hate Dem policy.
I agree with all that except that he has been a lightening rod for half the population.
Many that voted for him would have the primary reason that they never vote Dem under any circumstances. Sadly there is also mixed into your group many whose support is based on some of the more 'unsavoury' shit he talks. They are loving the chance to have some of their bigitory and unfounded 'knowledge' spoken out loud.
There are overlaps in all these scenarios of course.The US has been based on 'winners and losers' probably since the start. The trick is to make more people either feel like they are winning (or have a chance to win) than feellike losers.
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@ACT-Crusader I'm not saying that there is no possibility of some voter fraud although based on evidence to date I wdon't think there is enough nous to make it significant.
What I was doing was illustrating how many BS conspiracies out there - thanks @Winger for providing so many examples.- that can be refuted with ease. e.g. Allegation more people have voted than registered in Pennsylvania. Reality about 30% of those who registered have not bothered to vote. Given the choices available who can blame them!!
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@dogmeat said in US Politics:
@ACT-Crusader I'm not saying that there is no possibility of some voter fraud although based on evidence to date I wdon't think there is enough nous to make it significant.
What I was doing was illustrating how many BS conspiracies out there - thanks @Winger for providing so many examples.- that can be refuted with ease. e.g. Allegation more people have voted than registered in Pennsylvania. Reality about 30% of those who registered have not bothered to vote. Given the choices available who can blame them!!
Stop it with alternate facts!
The trumps are clearly getting cheated out of their birth rights, after The Don it was going to be little Eric’s turn followed by Ivanka who would have been the first female elected President.
Now it’s all been taken away from them by the fraudulent Dems.
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Biden needs about two thirds of the remaining 47k votes to be counted in Georgia. Going to be one of the tightest ones.
This may also be slipping under the radar for many...
All eyes are on Georgia, and not just because of Trump’s dwindling lead. Senator David Perdue, Republican incumbent, may drop below 50%, which could force a Jan. runoff that could determine Senate control.
I don't know how this works apart from what is stated above but Perdue is sitting bang on 50% at the moment
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Is Georgia likely flippable?
Biden down by 13k with 99% counted?
I'm struggling to find a good site or blog with this sort of info. I don't care if they get it wrong, its like a sport. A bit like Test cricket or Tour de France. Battles within battles.
E.g. how much was the margin at 98% and 97% count? What is Biden's chase down 'momentum'.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@ACT-Crusader said in US Politics:
It’s not hard to be cynical about Pennsylvania given there is long history of litigation surrounding elections particularly in Philadelphia districts.
I don’t have anything to suggest there are irregularities this time around, but this stuff comes up so frequently in PA. One might say it’s because of the swing nature or the size of the EC, or just plain old political posturing. But controversy and PA aren’t too far away from each other!
How many times have they found anything significantly wrong?
There’s a number of cases, but a fairly significant court case earlier this year that linked a former congressman and an official in multiple elections dating back to 2014, 2015 and 2016.
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@Rapido this is just through the Stuff section
States still in play and what makes them that way
GEORGIA: Outstanding ballots left to be counted in counties where Biden has performed well. With an estimated 99% of the vote counted there, Trump's lead over Biden has shrunk to about 13,000 votes, with tens of thousands more ballots left to be counted. That includes mailed ballots from population-dense counties in the Atlanta metro region that lean Democratic.
NEVADA: Biden’s lead in Nevada stands at 11,438 votes. Election officials in Nevada released updated returns, including a batch of 14,285 and 12,189 ballots, respectively, in the state’s two largest counties, Clark and Washoe. Overall, officials have tallied a little more than three-quarters of the state’s expected vote. Among the ballots still left to be processed in Nevada are provisional ballots, including 60,000 in Clark County, where most of the state’s voters live. Those ballots were mostly cast by voters who registered on Election Day and will be counted after officials verify their eligibility to be included.
NORTH CAROLINA: Trump holds a nearly 77,000-vote lead, but the race is too early to call with up to 116,000 mail ballots left to count, as well as about 41,000 provisional ballots statewide.
PENNSYLVANIA: Trump's lead has slipped to 114,000, with hundreds of thousands of votes yet to be counted.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
Shame on the Democrats who have been so fucking useless that they may not be able to defeat someone both immensely unlikeable and abjectly incompetent, who with 4 years to prepare for it have managed to come up with 77 (?) year old Joe Biden.
This 1 million %
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@Rapido said in US Politics:
I'm struggling to find a good site or blog with this sort of info. I don't care if they get it wrong, its like a sport. A bit like Test cricket or Tour de France. Battles within battles.
E.g. how much was the margin at 98% and 97% count? What is Biden's chase down 'momentum'.
these guys are intermittent but not bad
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@MiketheSnow said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
Shame on the Democrats who have been so fucking useless that they may not be able to defeat someone both immensely unlikeable and abjectly incompetent, who with 4 years to prepare for it have managed to come up with 77 (?) year old Joe Biden.
This 1 million %
The succession planning fell over when Hillary lost. They had no one else put into a high profile position that could campaign on the basis of being a solid steady hand on the tiller.
Obama had Clinton as SecState and Biden as a dispensible (retiring) right hand. I expect that Clinton had Tim Kaine (who?) as running mate and would have looked for someone to promote up after a second run.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
Interesting information (re the watermark) if true
Will DHS officials follow the watermark to verify the election?
Posted on November 5, 2020I’m happy to see that so many Americans came out to vote in this election. Record numbers cast their ballots for president.
But looking at the total votes cast is a little confusing in certain battleground states.
Pennsylvania had 500,000 more votes than people registered. North Carolina had 500,000 more votes than people registered. Nevada had 150,000 more votes than people registered. Georgia had 100,000 more votes than people registered.
These voter statistics point to something more nefarious going on. Many are multiple standard deviations from recent presidential election totals.
Well reportedly there is a way to discover if all these ballots cast are authentic, according to the Department of Homeland Security officials.
DHS, which printed the ballots, embedded radioactive isotopes and watermarks onto the legal ballots. A quick scan can pick up the identifying features to validate the vote.
This could be a way to authenticate the 138,000 mysterious ballots that showed up in Michigan Wednesday morning after state officials called an end to the count and said it would resume later in the morning. In fact the counting started up again only an hour later with the addition of the new cache of votes.
So will DHS officials follow the watermark to verify the election results? It appears that is what will happen.
Got the numbers for states that Trump isn’t unhappy with? That might show whether these are irregular or not.
I just fact checked @wingers numbers and that article. I won't waste time on it anymore because:
"Nevada had 150,000 more votes than people registered."
The article says:
1,277,000 registered voters.And yet:
https://www.nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=9108Office of Nevada Secretary of State Barbara K. Cegavske
Voter Registration Statistics
October 2020
Total Voters by County and Party
2,032,450There are 755,450 more registered voters in Nevada than mentioned.
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
Interesting information (re the watermark) if true
Will DHS officials follow the watermark to verify the election?
Posted on November 5, 2020I’m happy to see that so many Americans came out to vote in this election. Record numbers cast their ballots for president.
But looking at the total votes cast is a little confusing in certain battleground states.
Pennsylvania had 500,000 more votes than people registered. North Carolina had 500,000 more votes than people registered. Nevada had 150,000 more votes than people registered. Georgia had 100,000 more votes than people registered.
These voter statistics point to something more nefarious going on. Many are multiple standard deviations from recent presidential election totals.
Well reportedly there is a way to discover if all these ballots cast are authentic, according to the Department of Homeland Security officials.
DHS, which printed the ballots, embedded radioactive isotopes and watermarks onto the legal ballots. A quick scan can pick up the identifying features to validate the vote.
This could be a way to authenticate the 138,000 mysterious ballots that showed up in Michigan Wednesday morning after state officials called an end to the count and said it would resume later in the morning. In fact the counting started up again only an hour later with the addition of the new cache of votes.
So will DHS officials follow the watermark to verify the election results? It appears that is what will happen.
Got the numbers for states that Trump isn’t unhappy with? That might show whether these are irregular or not.
I just fact checked @wingers numbers and that article. I won't waste time on it anymore because:
"Nevada had 150,000 more votes than people registered."
The article says:
1,277,000 registered voters.And yet:
https://www.nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=9108Office of Nevada Secretary of State Barbara K. Cegavske
Voter Registration Statistics
October 2020
Total Voters by County and Party
2,032,450There are 755,450 more registerd voters in Nevada than mentioned.
Don't you know that Facebook is the real source of truth!
FFS you'll be declaring that vaccinations are a good thing next. -
Got up this morning, turned on the TV and thought - fuck, they still haven't finished counting these ballots.
And wondered why.
And then I realised it's probably because Democrat and Republican scrutineers - heavily entrenched people - will be litigating each and every ballot according to increasingly unreasonable standards.
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
Interesting information (re the watermark) if true
Will DHS officials follow the watermark to verify the election?
Posted on November 5, 2020I’m happy to see that so many Americans came out to vote in this election. Record numbers cast their ballots for president.
But looking at the total votes cast is a little confusing in certain battleground states.
Pennsylvania had 500,000 more votes than people registered. North Carolina had 500,000 more votes than people registered. Nevada had 150,000 more votes than people registered. Georgia had 100,000 more votes than people registered.
These voter statistics point to something more nefarious going on. Many are multiple standard deviations from recent presidential election totals.
Well reportedly there is a way to discover if all these ballots cast are authentic, according to the Department of Homeland Security officials.
DHS, which printed the ballots, embedded radioactive isotopes and watermarks onto the legal ballots. A quick scan can pick up the identifying features to validate the vote.
This could be a way to authenticate the 138,000 mysterious ballots that showed up in Michigan Wednesday morning after state officials called an end to the count and said it would resume later in the morning. In fact the counting started up again only an hour later with the addition of the new cache of votes.
So will DHS officials follow the watermark to verify the election results? It appears that is what will happen.
Got the numbers for states that Trump isn’t unhappy with? That might show whether these are irregular or not.
I just fact checked @wingers numbers and that article. I won't waste time on it anymore because:
"Nevada had 150,000 more votes than people registered."
The article says:
1,277,000 registered voters.And yet:
https://www.nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=9108Office of Nevada Secretary of State Barbara K. Cegavske
Voter Registration Statistics
October 2020
Total Voters by County and Party
2,032,450There are 755,450 more registerd voters in Nevada than mentioned.
The key is the hidden watermark on ballots. If this is true then it should be easy enough to ensure only valid ballots were cast (as one check). There are people claiming there is funny business going down. Its key is disprove these claims to ensure people have faith in this election (including Trump).
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@Chris-B said in US Politics:
Got up this morning, turned on the TV and thought - fuck, they still haven't finished counting these ballots.
And wondered why.
And then I realised it's probably because Democrat and Republican scrutineers - heavily entrenched people - will be litigating each and every ballot according to increasingly unreasonable standards.
Could have something to do with the highest election turnout in history (or near on) in the midst of a pandemic. Or Biden's henchmen need more time (and more sharpies) to complete as many false ballot papers as possible
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@Chris-B said in US Politics:
Got up this morning, turned on the TV and thought - fuck, they still haven't finished counting these ballots.
And wondered why.
And then I realised it's probably because Democrat and Republican scrutineers - heavily entrenched people - will be litigating each and every ballot according to increasingly unreasonable standards.
But they can still finish the count. Something funny is going on. Do the count. Declare a provisional winner. Then let the court action start.
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