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The current system isn't perfect but I'm concerned we would choose something worse with all sorts of unintended consequences<br><br></p></blockquote>
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<p>We had our flag first. They copied us</p>
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<p>Yeah but we kind of ripped of one of their flags to get ours.</p>
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<p>At the end of the day the Australian flag has more exposure and if the current one is retained we will always be seen as a variant of it overseas.</p> -
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<p>I think it is a hideous flag!</p>
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<p>Funny thing is, when in Rotorua, I never met one Maori that that recognised it as "their flag"</p>
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<p>Te Arawa have always been kupapa (loyal to the crown) - ask some of the Tainui just north of the Tron. ;)</p> -
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<p>3/ DOnt buy the line that soldiers have died for or under a flag. </p>
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<p>sweet baby jesus if I hear that line one more time I'm going to punch someone.</p>
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<p>it's right up there with saying things like "won't someone think of the children" if a chick sunbathes topless on a beach.</p>
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<p>the only time anyone fought for a flag... is in paintball.</p> -
<p>Black with a big silver fern on it works for me. (Just got one delivered in the mail today.)</p>
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<p>Still my favourite...</p>
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<p>What is this discussion meant to deflect attention from?</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="antipodean" data-cid="508161" data-time="1439526202">
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<p>What is this discussion meant to deflect attention from?</p>
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<p>The flag discussion?</p>
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<p>Nothing. It's possible to have multiple things going on at the same time, and I like that we are at least having the discussion about national pride and how we express that. Even if it means we end up chosing the existing flag, it's worth it IMO.</p>
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<p>I'd rather change the bloody anthem though.</p> -
<p>Every time there's discussion over here about flags or republics you know someone wants the media and public not to focus on something else.</p>
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<p>My response is always the same; what difference will it make? However I'm all for getting rid of dirges for anthems. Something like</p>
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<p>The deflection conspiracy theory is TPP....supposedly same as the US where they are dealing with the Confederate flag issue</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="508182" data-time="1439531945"><p>The deflection conspiracy theory is TPP....supposedly same as the US where they are dealing with the Confederate flag issue</p></blockquote>
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<p>You gotta laugh at the tinfoil muppets.</p>
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<p>well there aint no changing thier minds is there! </p>
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The TPPA has been talked about publicly for several years now, yet people still insist it's being buried/distracted from/under reported in the media about every second week... <br><br>
There has been and still is plenty of commentary on it. If people don't have the attention span to get past the first three click bait articles on Stuff, then that's just a reflection on their attention span rather than anything more sinister. <br><br>
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<p>That doesn't work in the modern age, particularly as peoples attention span is 30secs these days.</p>
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<p>Do you think Key is setting up a dictatorship or something? </p>
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<p>I like Ireland's drinking song anthem myself.</p>
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<p>Individuals might have attention spans that short, but the media loves to beat a story to death.</p>
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<p>All I'm saying is every time I've seen such issues raised by the Government in Oz, it's never coincided with their greatest policy announcements. :D</p> -
I agree with Kirwan after we change the flag can we please change the bloody anthem?
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I agree with Kirwan after we change the flag can we please change the bloody anthem?</p></blockquote>Its a bit low energy isn't it? My favourites, off the top of my head would be the Marseillaise, the Italian anthem, and the Stars and Stripes is pretty decent -
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<p>Individuals might have attention spans that short, but the media loves to beat a story to death.</p>
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<p>All I'm saying is every time I've seen such issues raised by the Government in Oz, it's never coincided with their greatest policy announcements. :biggrin:</p>
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<p>And bad policy announcements are never made at other times?</p> -
Personally I love the NZ anthem. Particularly the Maori version. <br><br>
The Welsh and Scottish anthems are the best by far IMHO.
