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@TeWaio said in British Politics:
John McDonnell has announced that Labour would give the Bank of England the power to remove companies from the London Stock Exchange if they do not tackle climate change, and invest in policies which 'kill the planet'
Yes. As it's just so hard to de-list from London and list in Zurich or New York instead.
The man's clueless.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@TeWaio said in British Politics:
John McDonnell has announced that Labour would give the Bank of England the power to remove companies from the London Stock Exchange if they do not tackle climate change, and invest in policies which 'kill the planet'
Yes. As it's just so hard to de-list from London and list in Zurich or New York instead.
The man's clueless.
Worse than that, his sort of idiocy does lasting harm.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@TeWaio said in British Politics:
John McDonnell has announced that Labour would give the Bank of England the power to remove companies from the London Stock Exchange if they do not tackle climate change, and invest in policies which 'kill the planet'
Yes. As it's just so hard to de-list from London and list in Zurich or New York instead.
The man's clueless.
Worse than that, his sort of idiocy does lasting harm.
I'm beginning to believe a spell of government by one or other of the nuttier politicians might not be a bad thing for the UK.
Might cause some short-term damage but could well remind people out there, that there really is no such thing as simple easy solutions or free lunches
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@TeWaio said in British Politics:
John McDonnell has announced that Labour would give the Bank of England the power to remove companies from the London Stock Exchange if they do not tackle climate change, and invest in policies which 'kill the planet'
Yes. As it's just so hard to de-list from London and list in Zurich or New York instead.
The man's clueless.
Worse than that, his sort of idiocy does lasting harm.
I'm beginning to believe a spell of government by one or other of the nuttier politicians might not be a bad thing for the UK.
Might cause some short-term damage but could well remind people out there, that there really is no such thing as simple easy solutions or free lunches
It'd be better if "people out there" read a bit of fucking history IMO. We had ten years of socialism lite under Blair and Brown and we were close to being bankrupt. I reckon the current lot of loons could do a better job of it within 6 months.
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@Catogrande It was so wonderful under Blair and Brown - year on year of economic growth, increased spending and feel-good factor. All so very easy.
It woz the bankers and austerity wot fucked it up......
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande It was so wonderful under Blair and Brown - year on year of economic growth, increased spending and feel-good factor. All so very easy.
It woz the bankers and austerity wot fucked it up......
Allied of course with Brown's "prudent fiscal policies". Can't quite get over him selling off half our gold at $300 odd an ounce, this after telling the world he was going to do it. Prudent my arse.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
To be honest, there was so much worry about Trump and the US is now killing it.
I actually think a firmly backboned leader is probably more important then their policies.
What? The idea that even a bad decision is better than no decision? You could be right. Some direction would be encouraging.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
or..you know..you could fight actual crimes
You keep hearing about austerity and cuts and all that, but there still seems to be plenty of money around to harass people for liking tweets or targetting the "far right".
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Just to change the tone of this thread for a short while.
Been watching a couple of BBC Documentaries over the last few weeks and I think plaudits are due (no doubt many will disagree, but hey - whats new).
Firstly, resident aged hippy Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall has been on a single use plastic campaign. IT's been proper fascinating stuff & I really think it's one of those things that everybody should watch.
But secondly, and this is why it's on politics, there was a documentary on last night about Transgender in sports. We've talked a lot about this across various threads and it was great to see it done. But the best thing was who they got to create / present it. No, not some far left everybody is equal, nutjob. But Martina Navritalova. She, the one that pissed the whole LGBT community (her community) off by tweeting about men-woman transitions in sport and how it was unfair.
Opening scene. She firstly says she is not going to deal with the "cis" bullshit. A woman is a woman, and she will not refer as trans woman and cis woman. Simply as trans woman and woman. End of.
Anyway the rest of the doc was fascinating. Perhaps could be criticised for not coming to an adequate conclusion, but she spoke to people on both sides, did some tests and met with multiple transgender athletes. All of them said much the same thing. We really want to compete, but we acknowledge it's not fair to compete against woman. It had me hooked from start to finish.
So I applaud the BBC here. Making the documentary, choosing the right presenter, and approaching it the way they did. Proper forward, progressive thinking. Not the SJW bollocks all over twitter.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in British Politics:
You keep hearing about austerity and cuts and all that, but there still seems to be plenty of money around to harass people for liking tweets or targetting the "far right".
Although you are talking about edge cases there, they are reporting today a huge increase in hate-crimes ..
FWIW ... I suspect not a large increase in hate crimes, but more a large increase in hate crimes reported. Given the drive to get these things reported, naturally they will go up!
On the whole though, I thought 2,000 wasn't too bad. Thats 6 a day. For a country as large and diverse as this, not the end of the world that twitterati will tell you it is.
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@MajorRage Good to hear on that doco, I might have to try and track it down. Along the same vein they did do that drama '3 Girls' on the muslim child grooming scandal and I think they even did some comedy mocking some sjw wackiness so there is elements balance there. I'm personally a lot harder on them in that according to their own rules they are supposed to be unbiased as they are tax payer funded.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@MajorRage oh I thought that was exactly it - an uprise in hate crime being reported. Reckoned due to more trust in the police to handle it.
Yeah it is. But you read the article and of course they interview people who say "it's getting worse", not those that talk about the huge increase in publicity about getting people to report hate crimes.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@MajorRage Good to hear on that doco, I might have to try and track it down. Along the same vein they did do that drama '3 Girls' on the muslim child grooming scandal and I think they even did some comedy mocking some sjw wackiness so there is elements balance there. I'm personally a lot harder on them in that according to their own rules they are supposed to be unbiased as they are tax payer funded.
Yep. My mantra is that if you are prepared to criticise, you should also be prepared to praise.
It was bloody good to see, as I was fully expecting a load of twitterati appeasing bullshit, but from the opening scene where Nav outlined her approach to the cis bollocks it was clear it wasn't the case.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@MajorRage Good to hear on that doco, I might have to try and track it down. Along the same vein they did do that drama '3 Girls' on the muslim child grooming scandal and I think they even did some comedy mocking some sjw wackiness so there is elements balance there. I'm personally a lot harder on them in that according to their own rules they are supposed to be unbiased as they are tax payer funded.
Being unbiased doesn't mean that everything has to be vanilla and unchallenging though.
You can give a viewpoint some air to stir up a response to balance that view as long as you report on that response. I think you will find that they generally do.
BBC are not a law unto themselves by any means. There are plenty of jobsworths at OFCOM ready to pounce on them over founded complaints.
Having being working on the fringe of broadcasting here in the UK I can tell you that people spend 99% of their time answering the 1% of complaints. Involve an MP that then asks an official question and everyone runs around like headless chooks writing reports. -
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
@MajorRage oh I thought that was exactly it - an uprise in hate crime being reported. Reckoned due to more trust in the police to handle it.
Yeah it is. But you read the article and of course they interview people who say "it's getting worse", not those that talk about the huge increase in publicity about getting people to report hate crimes.
Also worth remembering that re-tweeting a vaguely offensive limerick can also be considered a hate crime and worthy of police investigation.
He's recently updated those who have donated and no it does not quell peoples fear of what is going on. (sorry don't know how to make the format easier to read)
Dear Supporters
I don't know the tone to take with this update as the content is absolutely nuts. But I'll give it a go.
In January, the Assistant Chief Constable publicly declared that they were in possession of 31 tweets, each designed to cause distress; each showing evidence of a deep seated hatred toward the transgender community.
I asked for a copy of the tweets, worrying that the police must have evidence to support their claim. They'd spoken to the media. They must have something. They're the police.
My mind began playing Accuser. Perhaps, on some forgotten, shameful Winter night, soaked in Jack Daniels and under the subversive influence of Mumsnet, I'd hit the keyboard and launched into the Twitter-sphere my terrible Hate Manifesto. Perhaps I'd called for non-binaries to be exiled to Barnsley, and for gender-fluid two spirits to be henceforth put in the bin. Not gonna lie... Two Spirits are a thing. And yeah... the wait was a worry..
Five months of worry, to be precise. Five months where my mind visited dark places; where my wife, children, friends, family and employers asked difficult question. The police were quite certain. The police must be right. Jesus.. they even referenced Stephen Lawrence! Stephen Lawrence was a young, black man murdered at a bus stop by a gang of white thugs. That is what they were associating me with. You can see why we all might worry.
We asked, we asked again, and then we asked some more. Each time, the police came back with an excuse. It was incredible. I became cynical. Perhaps the evidence had slipped down the back of a sofa. Perhaps PC Gul had eaten my limerick.
Then, last week, with an iPhone ping, it arrived.
My heart stopped. I opened up the email and began to scroll through. I read and read and read. I'd say I got angry. That doesn't come close.
'When did the phrase 'transwomen are women' first appear?'
'The anti Jenni Murray mob are out baying at students attending the Steve Bannon lecture at Oxford.'
'Can a fish identify as a mammal?'
''Sheffield women know the difference between lads and lasses.'
'Huh?' (You read that right: 'Huh?)
Oh... and in one tweet, I declare my love for both football AND the musical diva, Sarah Brightman.
Yup. Without the necessary Rainbow lanyard, such declarations of love for a musical icon are not only disingenuous - but also clear evidence of Hate. I'd broken the Football-Brightman Boundary.That's also a thing. Little wonder the police became involved.
And that's it. I wish I was making this up. I wish the police were not a bunch of incompetent fools operating as muppets behalf of the deep state. I wish we didn't need around 60k more to fight this fight. But we do.The Guidance has to be challenged. The Guidance has to fall.
Please donate if you can. If you can't donate, please share.
Thank you. I appreciate you more than you know.
Harry
PS. The covering letter from the police states this: "It cannot be inferred that we read any of the tweets."**
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