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<p>I didn't click on that, is it Spanish, Chinese ,Romans or Celts?</p>
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<p>It's a load of waffle to back up an aim of removing/ reducing the status of Maori in NZ.</p>
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<p>I actually have no problem with the concept of some early visits or short settlements that may predate the accepted migration times but also don't think it reduces the status of Maori. It could change it from 'we were here first' to 'we were here before you'.</p>
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<p>There are a number of 'unexplained' early settlement stories in this part of the world, likely from very early under-exposed or failed expeditions. Ships of european origin sailing uncharted (to them) waters and going with the currents and winds seem to have regularly wrecked along the WA coast way before our known european visits. It is hardly beyond belief that some of them made ground as far as NZ and survived for a short period. Long enough to plant trees they had anyway.</p>
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<p>It's the aspect of this being covered up for nefarious reasons that cracks me up.</p>
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<p>One of the claims is about DoC cutting down numerous very old Oak Trees up north to destroy evidence of pre-dated occupation. Doh, DoC cut them down to re-establish native trees and if the stumps are still there on public land, take a walk and count the growth rings dumb asses.</p>
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<p>The photos on the page won't appear in my browser but they supposedly provide evidence of Oak Trees that are bigger than expected. Given that some varieties of Oak are very fast growing and that Oaks thrive in well drained acid soil (ie volcanic) and that theory gets shot down fast. I have seen these claims years ago and they drew my interest because of a connection. The trees they refer to around Drury were actually planted by the Runciman family. Capt James Runciman of that family also planted many of the trees that have grown so big in Cambridge as the town was established from being a fort.</p>
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What? 30 odd posts in and nothing on warehouses in the Utah desert with actors in the 1960s and the staging of the moon landing .....
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<p>FIRE CANNOT MELT STEEL according to noted metallurgist Rosie ODonnell<br><br><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='
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<p>I dread to think what would have happened had the Titanic sunk in modern times. That conspiracy theory I posted on page one is relatively small... but imagine if it sank toda - how well would people accept that just 12 square feet open to the sea could sink a 46,000 ton liner?</p>
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<p>(The 300 foot gash myth probably helped the public of the time to accept that what shouldn't happen, could... without creating conspiracies beyond insurance scams and U Boats in the mid-Atlantic in 1912...)</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Donsteppa" data-cid="528471" data-time="1444961288"><p>I dread to think what would have happened had the Titanic sunk in modern times. That conspiracy theory I posted on page one is relatively small... but imagine if it sank toda - how well would people accept that just 12 square feet open to the sea could sink a 46,000 ton liner?<br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ACT Crusader" data-cid="528470" data-time="1444961236"><p>What? 30 odd posts in and nothing on warehouses in the Utah desert with actors in the 1960s and the staging of the moon landing .....</p></blockquote>
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<p>The photos on the page won't appear in my browser but they supposedly provide evidence of Oak Trees that are bigger than expected. Given that some varieties of Oak are very fast growing and that Oaks thrive in well drained acid soil (ie volcanic) and that theory gets shot down fast. I have seen these claims years ago and they drew my interest because of a connection. The trees they refer to around Drury were actually planted by the Runciman family. Capt James Runciman of that family also planted many of the trees that have grown so big in Cambridge as the town was established from being a fort.</p>
<p>We had a number of oaks on the farm grown from the same 'stock' and can attest to the speed of growth being quite fast. </p>
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<p>Errr a hundred years is quite a long time for trees to grow large right?</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(11,15,19);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(178,194,209);">It seems inconceivable that this English Oak, or many more like it around Drury or indeed Waimate in the North, could have grown to such a size in the space of time between Cook’s first visit in 1769 and 1870 when the photo was taken.</span></p> -
<p>Don't the giant Redwoods grow something like 5 times quicker in NZ than in California (they tell you this at one of the tourist spots in Rotovegas) however the wood is nowhere near as hard, therefore will never get to the same size.</p>
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<p>What? 30 odd posts in and nothing on warehouses in the Utah desert with actors in the 1960s and the staging of the moon landing .....</p>
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<p>Think that was mentioned in the another thread earlier, prompting Jegga to start this one.</p>
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You'll be up for a specially named Fern Award for stirring: The Jegga Award for Contribution To Web Traffic</p></blockquote>
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Jegga, when this thread spirals into a 30 page monstrosity after someone takes the bait...<br><br>
You'll be up for a specially named Fern Award for stirring: The Jegga Award for Contribution To Web Traffic</p></blockquote>
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<p>Errr a hundred years is quite a long time for trees to grow large right?</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(11,15,19);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(178,194,209);">It seems inconceivable that this English Oak, or many more like it around Drury or indeed Waimate in the North, could have grown to such a size in the space of time between Cook’s first visit in 1769 and 1870 when the photo was taken.</span></p>
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<p>I lost 30mins in that site, had me convinced. Vikings man Be so cool if it was true.</p> -
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<p>Don't the flag and Vax thread star tees have that award wrapped up....</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kirwan" data-cid="528494" data-time="1444963385"><p>I lost 30mins in that site, had me convinced. Vikings man Be so cool if it was true.</p></blockquote>Not to mention the Chinese who apparently circumnavigated the globe in 1421
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<p>I do love those Celtic NZ/One Foundation loons.</p>
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<p>Are the Moriori now a conspiracy theory? The govt have changed the history books so that all evidence of the true Melanesian nature of the Moriori and their dominance of NZ before the Maori ate them all aside form the ones who ran away to the Chathams. </p> -
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<p>It's a load of waffle to back up an aim of removing/ reducing the status of Maori in NZ.</p>
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<p>I actually have no problem with the concept of some early visits or short settlements that may predate the accepted migration times but also don't think it reduces the status of Maori. It could change it from 'we were here first' to 'we were here before you'.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>There are a number of 'unexplained' early settlement stories in this part of the world, likely from very early under-exposed or failed expeditions. Ships of european origin sailing uncharted (to them) waters and going with the currents and winds seem to have regularly wrecked along the WA coast way before our known european visits. It is hardly beyond belief that some of them made ground as far as NZ and survived for a short period. Long enough to plant trees they had anyway.</p>
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<p>It's the aspect of this being covered up for nefarious reasons that cracks me up.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>One of the claims is about DoC cutting down numerous very old Oak Trees up north to destroy evidence of pre-dated occupation. Doh, DoC cut them down to re-establish native trees and if the stumps are still there on public land, take a walk and count the growth rings dumb asses.</p>
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<p>The photos on the page won't appear in my browser but they supposedly provide evidence of Oak Trees that are bigger than expected. Given that some varieties of Oak are very fast growing and that Oaks thrive in well drained acid soil (ie volcanic) and that theory gets shot down fast. I have seen these claims years ago and they drew my interest because of a connection. The trees they refer to around Drury were actually planted by the Runciman family. Capt James Runciman of that family also planted many of the trees that have grown so big in Cambridge as the town was established from being a fort.</p>
<p>We had a number of oaks on the farm grown from the same 'stock' and can attest to the speed of growth being quite fast. </p>
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<p>Heard this one when I was an apprentice, at first it sounded quite interesting. A "mate" of the guy telling the story was using ground penetrating sonar to find swamp kauri logs and found the outline of a ship that was apparently a Spanish galleon, then it descended into racist waffle about how doc had cancelled their permit to dig there after the local iwi kicked up a stink when they found out they were'nt there first.</p>
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<p>A little closer to home, the Opal files. Evidence that Norm Kirk was murdered by the CIA etc etc, take your pick <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.netti.fi/~makako/mind/opal.txt'>http://www.netti.fi/~makako/mind/opal.txt</a></p>
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