The State of the Game
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If the on-field ref is someone similar to Jono Bredin, I'd like the TMO to take the decision. But if the TMO is someone like Jono Bredin, I'd prefer the on-field ref to take the decision.
In other words, some officials are so bad that it is actually a good thing that they discuss an incident with each other and then maybe the correct decision will be made.
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World Rugby’s constant tinkering with the Laws, often different in different hemispheres at different times, is a major factor in the differences in interpretation and censure.
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@nepia said in The State of the Game:
@duluth said in The State of the Game:
@mariner4life said in The State of the Game:
There's some interpretation shit i hate too, but my main fucking deal is the TMO and the reffing "team" grinding the game to a halt.
I think the interruptions are here to stay (because of head injuries and legal issues if they aren't strict on it)
If that's the case, then we need a better processA stricter limit on the types of general play incidents that the TMO can interject on
I think the TMO should be responsible for deciding the sanction. Most of the time taken up is by the ref and the TMO talking in code and/or the TMO trying to convince the ref.
That negotiation is farcical. Just hand over responsibility and get it over with.I think they should just put it up on the big screen, show each angle a maximum of twice, the on field ref makes the decision.
Agree Nepia, TMO should only say have a look and then shut up, and not make the decision. The Ref is the ONLY abjucator of the laws of the game while is being played.
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No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
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@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
Where was that screened, Pirate TV?
The TMO and ref thought it was a shot to the head.
The NZ commentators and NZ supporters didn’t.
Losing or winning wasn’t determined by that decision.
Move on.
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@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
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@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
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@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
Where was that screened, Pirate TV?
The TMO and ref thought it was a shot to the head.
The NZ commentators and NZ supporters didn’t.
Losing or winning wasn’t determined by that decision.
Did anyone say it was?
Move on.
No, I'd rather the soccer mums who think that's acceptable fuck off and stop ruining my sport.
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@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
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@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
Where was that screened, Pirate TV?
The TMO and ref thought it was a shot to the head.
The NZ commentators and NZ supporters didn’t.
Losing or winning wasn’t determined by that decision.
Did anyone say it was?
Move on.
No, I'd rather the soccer mums who think that's acceptable fuck off and stop ruining my sport.
It was a joke. I don't appreciate Pearce's constant committee based style. Just lacks feels for flowing rugby. Whatever happened to the great refs being neither seen or heard?
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@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
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@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
I don't disagree that it is the way things are now. Do you think there was any meaningful contact with the head? I don't
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@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
That position is ridiculous. It achieves nothing other than introducing a lottery and making a farce of the game.
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@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
That position is ridiculous. It achieves nothing other than introducing a lottery and making a farce of the game.
I agree. It's a fast game. Taylor's hand barely hit him and it only looks worse when watched frame by frame
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@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
I agree.
But at the same time, if we are going down this road with onfield decisions, let's stop the half baked theatre of reducing sentences at judiciary.
If the goal is to punish/educate players, that is.
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@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
That position is ridiculous. It achieves nothing other than introducing a lottery and making a farce of the game.
I agree. It's a fast game. Taylor's hand barely hit him and it only looks worse when watched frame by frame
It's certainly at the soft end of the spectrum and won't have done Sexton any harm - it didn't have any effect on him talking.
But, Taylor has gone high attempting to make a dominant tackle and hit a first five hard. He had time to go lower - achieve the same result without risking the contact to the head. So I don't really mind it. And it certainly didn't surprise me.
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@chris-b said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
That position is ridiculous. It achieves nothing other than introducing a lottery and making a farce of the game.
I agree. It's a fast game. Taylor's hand barely hit him and it only looks worse when watched frame by frame
It's certainly at the soft end of the spectrum and won't have done Sexton any harm - it didn't have any effect on him talking.
But, Taylor has gone high attempting to make a dominant tackle and hit a first five hard. He had time to go lower - achieve the same result without risking the contact to the head. So I don't really mind it. And it certainly didn't surprise me.
We definitely need to work to change our technique
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@canefan We've generally got better. With the endless defending we did in the first half on our goal-line, the discipline was pretty good.
I think there's just instances where people's eyes light up a bit at the chance for some "enforcement" and the temptation leads to sloppiness. Blackadder's late hit on Sexton was another.
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@chris-b said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
That position is ridiculous. It achieves nothing other than introducing a lottery and making a farce of the game.
I agree. It's a fast game. Taylor's hand barely hit him and it only looks worse when watched frame by frame
It's certainly at the soft end of the spectrum and won't have done Sexton any harm - it didn't have any effect on him talking.
But, Taylor has gone high attempting to make a dominant tackle and hit a first five hard. He had time to go lower - achieve the same result without risking the contact to the head.
He hasn't hit him hard at all. I also reject he's got time to go lower without missing Sexton. The video I linked isn't in real time. The footage is slowed.
This isn't a rejection of punishing head high tackles, but this is incidental (and soft) contact.
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Pretty much agreed with what's been written in this thread. Too many of the decisions now look like a lottery to knowledgeable fans and that in itself is a bad thing. As @MiketheSnow pointed out, the constant law changes and officiating guidance around player safety really don't help either.
My main bugbear is the constant checking by the TMO with almost every try being checked and multiple camera angles to find something incriminating. It really is killing the game for me and may end up weakening the role of the Ref actually on the field.
But there's hope We had some bloody awful officiating of the "competing for the ball in the air" a few seasons ago and tip-tackles a few years back - now it's way better.
