All Blacks 2022
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
we'll miss Fox, but I htink he did his dash
I really like Grant Fox, I've enjoyed his play, commentary and media appearances while a selector. I'm also an Aucklander...
But at the end of the day selections during his tenure, especially in key moments after 2015 when things got harder have been poor underlined by the general ambivalence around building a centre combination or developing an international 10.
When the tough calls had to be made in 2019 on Read and SBW, they made the wrong ones on Cane and Smith. They bottled the Lions decider, Kaino at lock and you could go on.
Who knows who made what calls, but post 2015 the selection has been pedestrian at best.
The class of 2012 + Whitelock will be 10+ years into their test careers come the next RWC and some tough love will need to be dealt out (no idea to who and if that means dropping from the 15, 23 or squad, time will tell) - I feel more confident with an outsider and someone still looking for their first RWC win to push for the necessary changes.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@rotated it's time for new voices. Hopefully this is just the beginning
Seems just yesterday we had the story of the appointment of a competent assistant (Leon) to a head coach who some of the board loved, and some didn't (Tana).
Fingers crossed?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@rotated it's time for new voices. Hopefully this is just the beginning
Seems just yesterday we had the story of the appointment of a competent assistant (Leon) to a head coach who some of the board loved, and some didn't (Tana).
Fingers crossed?
Who knows. But schmidt knows the Northern game and his input certainly can't hurt. Same could be said for Gatland even though he seems like a whinger
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@canefan I think he will just provide a point of difference, he has tread a similar path to Henry & Hansen before him, the level of respective successes can be debated, but he will bring different ideas, different plans, which include how they approach playing (and beating) the ABs, something none of the current panel have experienced, or even Henry or Hansen previously....Mitch & Rennie likely only other candidates in this boat?
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Excellent news that Schmidt will be in the mix. He has to be a vast improvement on some of the thinking and coaching that has surrounded the All Blacks for the past five years.
While I'd also prefer Foster and the assistants to have been given their marching orders, this is at least a step up on 2020 and 2021...
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@donsteppa said in All Blacks 2022:
Excellent news that Schmidt will be in the mix. He has to be a vast improvement on some of the thinking and coaching that has surrounded the All Blacks for the past five years.
While I'd also prefer Foster and the assistants to have been given their marching orders, this is at least a step up on 2020 and 2021...
i am absolutely astounded that the only person to lose their job was a non-coaching selector
We are no longer the team focused solely on excellence.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
i am absolutely astounded that the only person to lose their job was a non-coaching selector
So far
The link I posted said the assistant coaches are under threat but we won't know until Jan
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Could this be a move by NZR to have Schmidt take over post WC? Schmidt and the Messiah might be an interesting combo.
i was wonder if it was a way to have other options in a string position to step in, anyone coming in from the outside is going to have a hard time the closer we get to the RWC....but a selector stepping in to help with the team he helped select?
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Could this be a move by NZR to have Schmidt take over post WC? Schmidt and the Messiah might be an interesting combo.
i was wonder if it was a way to have other options in a string position to step in, anyone coming in from the outside is going to have a hard time the closer we get to the RWC....but a selector stepping in to help with the team he helped select?
this whole "the world cup takes 4 years to win" thing is absolute bullshit.
I am firmly of the belief that you could make significant changes in the year of and win the thing. It might suit you better because then the Eddie Jones' of the world do not have 4 years to plan for your plan.
The only one i can think of that appears to be a planned out campaign was England
You can be shit during the World Cup year and make the final, there is ample evidence of that
My gut feel is we still allow ourselves to believe it in NZ because it was tied to our "are we ever going to win this fucking thing?" malaise, and it is a nice way for AB coaches to manage expectations.
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@mariner4life you can do...yes, of course, as you say there is precedence, but it strikes me as harder than a more planned approach where you can try different things, change whats gone wrong
If you get the job the year of and dont have the depth in a particular position you don't have the time to grow that depth and so if you have to come up with a different game plan to compensate for it you might not have time to completely entrench this new game plan
and in fairness, i didn't say anything about 4 years, we're only 2 years now and fozzie is unlikely to go before the RC next year so we're already close to anyone new only having just over a year to do whatever they want
so yes, you can, no need to give up....but i think its harder
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@kiwiwomble i'll reply with a question
If the World Cup was next year, do you think a change in coach right now would give the ABs more or less chance to win it?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Could this be a move by NZR to have Schmidt take over post WC? Schmidt and the Messiah might be an interesting combo.
i was wonder if it was a way to have other options in a string position to step in, anyone coming in from the outside is going to have a hard time the closer we get to the RWC....but a selector stepping in to help with the team he helped select?
this whole "the world cup takes 4 years to win" thing is absolute bullshit.
I am firmly of the belief that you could make significant changes in the year of and win the thing. It might suit you better because then the Eddie Jones' of the world do not have 4 years to plan for your plan.
The only one i can think of that appears to be a planned out campaign was England
You can be shit during the World Cup year and make the final, there is ample evidence of that
My gut feel is we still allow ourselves to believe it in NZ because it was tied to our "are we ever going to win this fucking thing?" malaise, and it is a nice way for AB coaches to manage expectations.
South Africa last world cup are case and point.
They sucked 12 months before the start of the world cup year and then bosh! Another World Cup.
(I think)
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@mariner4life depending on the coach potentially better...but i think we would have and even better chance if the change had been made before now or at very least some groundworks had been laid for the change...hence my point
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life depending on the coach potentially better...but i think we would have and even better chance if the change had been made before now or at very least some groundworks had been laid for the change...hence my point
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@mariner4life i honestly dont know what your trying to get at, I don't disagree with your point it doesn't always "4 years" to win a world cup and have been pretty clear before i would have swapped out fozzie for razor before now
I really just tried to see another possibility with the announcement of Schmidt, might he be the compromise seeing as NZR seem afraid to make the big call on razor after saying the wanted someone with international experience
