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You would think he might welcome the opportunity to explain/show just how those comments were taken out of context (if they were) and clear them out of the way so people don't keep throwing them back at him.
Just saying 'ignore those, they are old' doesn't cut it with me. He's a politician the same as them all and will say what he thinks people want to hear.
I think it is totally fair and expected of someone in his position to clearly explain how/why he has changed a point of view otherwise it will always linger. -
You would think he might welcome the opportunity to explain/show just how those comments were taken out of context (if they were) and clear them out of the way so people don't keep throwing them back at him.
Ha! Clearly you haven't been paying attention! Those not of the establishment don't simply get to have statements cleared out of the way. They get brought up again and again and again, each interview follows the same script all a lot of attempted 'gotcha's' to try and paint them if possible as something resembling pedophile-Hitler and ensuring they don't get the opportunity to actually talk about issues. Look at almost every single Gerard Batten interview, they are basically carbon copies. The sheer beauty of the orange prophet was that he showed the way how to beat them at their own game. Talk over them and never apologise.
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For the record I don't think Farage is particularly honest, very much a typical politician living in a bubble who looks down on the working class. Still many times better than what Labour or the Tories are currently serving up.
I do wonder just how reliable this recent poll is though, can't be that hard to manipulate these things and a poll showing this new party as being one of the big boys makes them appear as the 'real deal.'
A ComRes general election poll, which appears in The Sunday Telegraph newspaper, puts Labour on 27%, the Brexit Party on 20% and the Conservatives on 19%.
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@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
Farage is being a complete twat though.
You can take the man out of UKIP but you can't take UKIP out of the man
Genuine question, is your dislike of UKIP based on policy, supporters, representatives or media reputation?
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
Farage is being a complete twat though.
You can take the man out of UKIP but you can't take UKIP out of the man
Genuine question, is your dislike of UKIP based on policy, supporters, representatives or media reputation?
Policy, Representatives, Supporters in that order.
Fantasy party formerly led by a fantasist who are at the heart of this farce.
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@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
Farage is being a complete twat though.
You can take the man out of UKIP but you can't take UKIP out of the man
Genuine question, is your dislike of UKIP based on policy, supporters, representatives or media reputation?
Policy, Representatives, Supporters in that order.
Fantasy party formerly led by a fantasist who are at the heart of this farce.
Whilst I side with your overall view, it cannot be denied that their viewpoint has chimed with an awful lot of the populace and that there are huge numbers of people that have grave misgivings on the way the EU was being run. Whilst I am very much a remainer, I also feel that there is much about the EU that is very worrying.
I'd also say that UKIP and Farage, whilst being at the heart of the current farce are really only a symptom of the overall malaise that has been caused by years of political neglect about very real concerns. There are many to shoulder the blame going back to Major and the way the Maastricht treaty was handled or at least the way it was seen to be handled.
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@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
Farage is being a complete twat though.
You can take the man out of UKIP but you can't take UKIP out of the man
Genuine question, is your dislike of UKIP based on policy, supporters, representatives or media reputation?
Policy, Representatives, Supporters in that order.
Fantasy party formerly led by a fantasist who are at the heart of this farce.
Absolutely. But brace yourself for accusations of being a media sucker.
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Single issue parties are exactly what people turn to when the established are shit. We had it with Bob Jones.
Farage is being a complete twat though. Goes on his second interview in a week on the Beeb and bitches about how the beeb don't give him coverage. The man is learning directly from the orange president.
He’s not exactly wrong though, is he? Beeb are activists, not impartial reporters.
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@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
Farage is being a complete twat though.
You can take the man out of UKIP but you can't take UKIP out of the man
Genuine question, is your dislike of UKIP based on policy, supporters, representatives or media reputation?
Policy, Representatives, Supporters in that order.
Fantasy party formerly led by a fantasist who are at the heart of this farce.
Any particular policies that you strongly oppose?
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
Farage is being a complete twat though.
You can take the man out of UKIP but you can't take UKIP out of the man
Genuine question, is your dislike of UKIP based on policy, supporters, representatives or media reputation?
Policy, Representatives, Supporters in that order.
Fantasy party formerly led by a fantasist who are at the heart of this farce.
Any particular policies that you strongly oppose?
Leaving the EU
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
An actual interview with Farage. Good questions whilst still clearly challenging him.
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Demonstrates just how bad the BBC is, the real crime of it is that they are tax-payer funded and aren't supposed to be partisanDoes anybody else think it's ironic that Farage's and the Brexit Party's only forum for relevance is the European Elections for which he and his party want to leave ASAP?
Farage is a one-trick pony - leaving the EU - and when questioned about his domestic policies either ignores or trots out the tired old routine of
'vote us in, we'll get us out (of Europe), and then we'll tell you what we're going to do in and for the UK'
Quite frankly is it any wonder Farage has never been democratically elected as an MP?
Even the dullards in his constituency can see through that flim flam.
She's a great interviewer mind.
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@MiketheSnow Totally agree it's extremely dodgy asking for votes without a manifesto or even policies outside of leaving the EU. Not even sure if he has a documented plan for that, those are the main grounds that Ukip are attacking him on.
Then again the whole fiasco of having come no closer to Brexit after 3 years is extremely dodgy so maybe it's just a case of needs/must just to try and force the referendum result over the line. He is an extremely effective speaker and clearly very able to gather support together, I don't think he really wants anything but Brexit and then head back semi-retirement of pints at the pub. If Brexit actually happens and the Brexit party continues to do well and moves on into the general election space I'd expect he'll step down as leader.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Rembrandt he will undoubtedly walk away once it’s happened.
Reminds me of a few of my colleagues. Love to push things, don’t like to do work!
That only works though if you’ve got some other mug to do the work.
On a separate topic, do you want a new job?
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Rembrandt he will undoubtedly walk away once it’s happened.
Reminds me of a few of my colleagues. Love to push things, don’t like to do work!
That only works though if you’ve got some other mug to do the work.
On a separate topic, do you want a new job?
Depend on how hard Brexit is!
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Rembrandt he will undoubtedly walk away once it’s happened.
Reminds me of a few of my colleagues. Love to push things, don’t like to do work!
Or as I say about a few characters in my world
'First to the buffet, last to the bar'
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@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
Farage is being a complete twat though.
You can take the man out of UKIP but you can't take UKIP out of the man
Genuine question, is your dislike of UKIP based on policy, supporters, representatives or media reputation?
Policy, Representatives, Supporters in that order.
Fantasy party formerly led by a fantasist who are at the heart of this farce.
Any particular policies that you strongly oppose?
Leaving the EU
ImmigrationI just wanted to refresh my memory of their policies before I responded as I hadn't read them in over a year.
I'm sure at this point you've probably heard all the arguments for Brexit and if you're still against it then there isn't much point going over them just as I've heard the remain arguments and can't see me being swayed back (I was a remainer at the time of the referendum). I would though be interested in what you are strongly opposed to in their immigration policies? Or maybe its the concept of 'mass immigration is a problem' which I guess is another area that would be difficult to argue for or against.
Immigration
Mass uncontrolled immigration has been extremely damaging to Britain. We have imported cheap labour by the million. This not only exploits migrants but depresses the wages and living standards of those at the bottom end of the economic scale, and drives up property prices and rental costs. In 1997 the official British population figure was 58 million people. The figure in 2017 was 66 million. A recent report showed that the 6.6 million population growth between 2000-2016 was 80% due to migrants and births to migrants. Such a rate of increase is simply unsustainable in one of the most densely populated countries in the world.UKIP believes that the age of uncontrolled mass-immigration must come to an end. We have open borders with the EU but successive British governments have also failed to control immigration from outside of the EU. UKIP will introduce a selective and limited Australian style points-based immigration system. Immigration for permanent settlement must be strictly limited.
Temporary immigration for workers on work permits and students will be both strictly controlled and time-limited.
UKIP will develop the UK Border Force into a Migration Control Department directly responsible to a Minister. This department will oversee the immigration system and border control.
Migrants will not be able to claim public housing or benefits until they have been a tax paying resident in UK for a continuous five years.
Workers on permits and students will be expected to possess private health insurance as a condition of entry to the UK (unless covered by a reciprocal medical treatment agreement).
UKIP will rescind the UK’s assent to the Barcelona Declaration (1995) and the Marrakesh Declaration (2018). Both of these documents pave the way for yet more uncontrolled and unlimited immigration from Africa, the Middle East and beyond
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