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    @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Poor coaching, as is the standard.

    Same coaching set-up when he was getting game-time and being so bloody effective coming off the bench. Weird.

    Foster has always preferred Taylor, even when it was blindingly obvious that he was playing terribly and Samisoni was playing great. IIRC he dropped Samisoni despite being our best forward for the Irish decider, then continued using Taylor while our lineout and his general play was dogshit all last season. Taylor is a decent player, but his form last year was arguably the worst I've seen an AB get away with and keep being selected - and that's not when the cupboard was bare, but when we had another option who was clearly better. It is just shit selection.
    Samisoni should be a bolted on starter by now. Taylor or Coles should be the bench guy, or if we were better at handling young players, Aumua could have been ready in time.
    We all sit around bemoaning Super rugby and our lack of grunt up front - and we have that guy right fucking there and they won't fucking pick him!

    If what you say is true - and it may be - you have to question what value Ryan actually adds, don't you?

    Not really. Foster's preference for Taylor and Taylor's terrible form pre-dates Ryan being involved.
    Has Ryan changed that? No. Has he tried? No idea.
    Buck stops with the head coach.

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    @reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Poor coaching, as is the standard.

    Same coaching set-up when he was getting game-time and being so bloody effective coming off the bench. Weird.

    Foster has always preferred Taylor, even when it was blindingly obvious that he was playing terribly and Samisoni was playing great. IIRC he dropped Samisoni despite being our best forward for the Irish decider, then continued using Taylor while our lineout and his general play was dogshit all last season. Taylor is a decent player, but his form last year was arguably the worst I've seen an AB get away with and keep being selected - and that's not when the cupboard was bare, but when we had another option who was clearly better. It is just shit selection.
    Samisoni should be a bolted on starter by now. Taylor or Coles should be the bench guy, or if we were better at handling young players, Aumua could have been ready in time.
    We all sit around bemoaning Super rugby and our lack of grunt up front - and we have that guy right fucking there and they won't fucking pick him!

    If what you say is true - and it may be - you have to question what value Ryan actually adds, don't you?

    Not really. Foster's preference for Taylor and Taylor's terrible form pre-dates Ryan being involved.
    Has Ryan changed that? No. Has he tried? No idea.
    Buck stops with the head coach.

    So you're now also saying the Head coach and not the Forwards coach deserves the credit when the forwards are going well?

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    I seem to recall that Taylor had some off field issues he was working through last year.

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    @reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Aumua could have been ready in time

    Aumua's big problem - that kept him out of the ABs, esp. since ST was picked - was his very poor line-out throwing. He got his chances, but didn't take them. It was only last year that he improved his line-out throwing. Injuries have played a role, too.

    Anyway, if Aumua had been considered for the RWC squad, it would have been a choice between him and Coles.

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    @Kirwan said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Ritchie being out injured may be the tried and true Foster approaching to improving his team (being forced to change selections by injury).

    We aren't winning the world cup with Ritchie Mounga at 10. might as well try DMac.

    Is he confirmed out? I can’t find anything

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    I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

    Ian Foster insists NZ's unbeaten record against Italy ‘means nothing’

    Ian Foster insists NZ's unbeaten record against Italy ‘means nothing’

    Ian Foster has stressed New Zealand’s history against Italy “means nothing” ahead of the crucial World Cup meeting between the sides...

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    @voodoo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @Kirwan said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Ritchie being out injured may be the tried and true Foster approaching to improving his team (being forced to change selections by injury).

    We aren't winning the world cup with Ritchie Mounga at 10. might as well try DMac.

    Is he confirmed out? I can’t find anything

    I'm just assuming watching him hobble up the stairs with a thigh bandage.

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    @MajorRage said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @stodders this is ROG telling Ireland fans to shut the Fuck up about the easy QF route …

    ive heard a few Irish ex players and media types now politely say , they would rather play NZ than France ,

    they usually start with something like ,

    while it does feel strange to say we would prefer to play Nz .........

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    @kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @MajorRage said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @stodders this is ROG telling Ireland fans to shut the Fuck up about the easy QF route …

    ive heard a few Irish ex players and media types now politely say , they would rather play NZ than France ,

    they usually start with something like ,

    while it does feel strange to say we would prefer to play Nz .........

    To be sure, while it does feel strange to say we would prefer to play NZ, we’d rather play them so we would. Top of the morning to ye.

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    @Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @MajorRage said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @stodders this is ROG telling Ireland fans to shut the Fuck up about the easy QF route …

    ive heard a few Irish ex players and media types now politely say , they would rather play NZ than France ,

    they usually start with something like ,

    while it does feel strange to say we would prefer to play Nz .........

    To be sure, while it does feel strange to say we would prefer to play NZ, we’d rather play them so we would. Top of the morning to ye.

    But like the Guinness, we're not bitter about taking on ABS rather than France

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    @Kirwan said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Ritchie being out injured may be the tried and true Foster approaching to improving his team (being forced to change selections by injury).

    We aren't winning the world cup with Ritchie Mounga at 10. might as well try DMac.

    I'm not sure its Mounga at 10 that is the problem .. for me its the persistence of the Richie / BB dual playmaker BS that is the problem.... Mounga has shown he can play the big games well - eg SR 2023 final where he shaded Dmac in my opinion (I am a Dmac fan)-- key thing in that game was is he didn't have BB poking his shitty low percentage options in all the time..

    But yeah forced changes are the only time we seem to get significant change from Foster. So would be happy to see Dmac start at 10....

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    @Mattasaurus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    I'm not sure its Mounga at 10 that is the problem .. for me its the persistence of the Richie / BB dual playmaker BS that is the problem

    McKenzie/Barrett worked well in the limited times we've seen it. A few years ago Barrett/McKenzie worked too

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    @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

    Ian Foster insists NZ's unbeaten record against Italy ‘means nothing’

    Ian Foster insists NZ's unbeaten record against Italy ‘means nothing’

    Ian Foster has stressed New Zealand’s history against Italy “means nothing” ahead of the crucial World Cup meeting between the sides...

    We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

    Like Eddie.....

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

    Ian Foster insists NZ's unbeaten record against Italy ‘means nothing’

    Ian Foster insists NZ's unbeaten record against Italy ‘means nothing’

    Ian Foster has stressed New Zealand’s history against Italy “means nothing” ahead of the crucial World Cup meeting between the sides...

    We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

    Like Eddie.....

    Jeez please no hahaha

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    @ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @akan004 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Ardie just said that the Ireland V SA game was one of the first non ABs games he has watched.

    What a professional outfit we have here, one of our most senior players and stand in captain is not even bothered to see where the opposition is at. Sigh.

    Not this again…

    Someone dig up the old thread/s on rugby players that don’t sit around and watch rugby games from start to finish.

    They watch snippets, packaged up footage. Who cares if they don’t sit and watch full games.

    This is a RWC ffs, you want to be as best prepared as possible and perhaps offer insights on the opposition that maybe the coaches might have missed.

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    Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes. Hopefully another injury forced "master stroke".

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    @Kirwan said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Ritchie being out injured may be the tried and true Foster approaching to improving his team (being forced to change selections by injury).

    We aren't winning the world cup with Ritchie Mounga at 10. might as well try DMac.

    Think Ritchie has been OK and much improved over the last year. I'm a bit of a DMac fan and think he should have more game time but think RM is a bit more solid 10 right now

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    @Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    A few years ago Barrett/McKenzie worked too

    Wasn't that with BB at 10 and McKenzie at 15? Can't compare. And I don't remember it working that well either.

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    The hilarious thing is that we'd take Anscombe in a heart beat if he was available right now.

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    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

    Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two

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