RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay
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@ARHS said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
Not sure why the haters for Luke J. Both he and Cane were close to the ball and effective all day competing against the best Uruguayan.
I can see why there would be some criticism of Luke’s game tonight. Thought he looked a bit laboured getting to the ruck. I prefer him at 6 (or 7) than 8 because his back of the scrum work has been scratchy for a while.
His second half was a little better.
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@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
If LF doesn't start next week, he should be on the bench instead of ALB.
pretty unimpressed by him getting skinned on the outside then showing the pace of a president grades prop chasing back and being passed by Whitelock
that was ugly!LF is indeed not the kind of winger who has that explosive speed for the short and sharp runs, but he offers so much more that can't be matched by the other wingers and midfielders. He just has too many upsides to leave him out of the 23 in my opinion.
Agree about what he offers on the wing but he is barely Super level when he lines up at 13. Not sure I would like him playing at centre for any length of time against the big boys.
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@taniwharugby you should. The first quarter from Uruguay is pretty committed
And then we score some cool tries
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@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
If LF doesn't start next week, he should be on the bench instead of ALB.
pretty unimpressed by him getting skinned on the outside then showing the pace of a president grades prop chasing back and being passed by Whitelock
that was ugly!LF is indeed not the kind of winger who has that explosive speed for the short and sharp runs, but he offers so much more that can't be matched by the other wingers and midfielders. He just has too many upsides to leave him out of the 23 in my opinion.
What would those upsides be?
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@taniwharugby you should. The first quarter from Uruguay is pretty committed
And then we score some cool tries
And big try saving tackles early.
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
If LF doesn't start next week, he should be on the bench instead of ALB.
pretty unimpressed by him getting skinned on the outside then showing the pace of a president grades prop chasing back and being passed by Whitelock
that was ugly!LF is indeed not the kind of winger who has that explosive speed for the short and sharp runs, but he offers so much more that can't be matched by the other wingers and midfielders. He just has too many upsides to leave him out of the 23 in my opinion.
What would those upsides be?
He's handy in close to the ruck and wins collisions more often than not. That's about all I can think of. He wouldn't be in my 23.
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@Crazy-Horse said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
If LF doesn't start next week, he should be on the bench instead of ALB.
pretty unimpressed by him getting skinned on the outside then showing the pace of a president grades prop chasing back and being passed by Whitelock
that was ugly!LF is indeed not the kind of winger who has that explosive speed for the short and sharp runs, but he offers so much more that can't be matched by the other wingers and midfielders. He just has too many upsides to leave him out of the 23 in my opinion.
What would those upsides be?
He's handy in close to the ruck and wins collisions more often than not. That's about all I can think of. He wouldn't be in my 23.
And he's a great ball carrier who is hard to tackle, very strong, has a huge workrate, he's like a winger and loosie in one. To me that's a great example of a power winger, who happens to be pretty handy in the midfield, too.
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@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Crazy-Horse said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
If LF doesn't start next week, he should be on the bench instead of ALB.
pretty unimpressed by him getting skinned on the outside then showing the pace of a president grades prop chasing back and being passed by Whitelock
that was ugly!LF is indeed not the kind of winger who has that explosive speed for the short and sharp runs, but he offers so much more that can't be matched by the other wingers and midfielders. He just has too many upsides to leave him out of the 23 in my opinion.
What would those upsides be?
He's handy in close to the ruck and wins collisions more often than not. That's about all I can think of. He wouldn't be in my 23.
And he's a great ball carrier who is hard to tackle, very strong, has a huge workrate, he's like a winger and loosie in one. To me that's a great example of a power winger, who happens to be pretty handy in the midfield, too.
Like I mentioned earlier, I would be very worried if he ended up playing decent minutes at centre in a big game. He has no distribution and he gets caught out in defence at 13. The Crusaders realised that and stuck with Ennor in the midfield and him on the wing.
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Obviously first minutes, early exchanges etc etc but it is concerning that we always seem to come off 2nd best in this regard. Against teams that can maintain that for a full game then we are in trouble. When that happens not even Dmac or Blackadder can save us.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel and yet we were fast out of the blocks v Arg and SA earlier in the year, so we can do it, maintaining and backing it up is another story.
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@Kirwan said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
I thought we had stopped picking slow wingers. So many better choices in the current squad.
It seems crazy to me. He has some talent but he's nowhere near the finished product given how error prone he is, AND he's pissing off after the RWC. Such a waste of a squad space.
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@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
And he's a great ball carrier who is hard to tackle, very strong, has a huge workrate, he's like a winger and loosie in one.
He's shit at both and as we've seen on defence he's a
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I'm a fan but I get the feeling LF could be targeted by the better teams for his lack of "nimbleness" in defense in the current environment. Clarke has a similar problem with added bonus of an inability to be in the right position more often than not. The only two options to start on the wing for a big dance(s) would have to be Jordan and Telea with the current AB "defense system".
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@Old-Samurai-Jack yeah an accurate kicking team would certainly pressure his turning circle, similarly a team like Ireland with thier disciplined (as in, the whole line is off side
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@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
If LF doesn't start next week, he should be on the bench instead of ALB.
pretty unimpressed by him getting skinned on the outside then showing the pace of a president grades prop chasing back and being passed by Whitelock
that was ugly!LF is indeed not the kind of winger who has that explosive speed for the short and sharp runs, but he offers so much more that can't be matched by the other wingers and midfielders. He just has too many upsides to leave him out of the 23 in my opinion.
i get what your saying and have been asking to see him play more...but i got really nervous when that Uruguayan winger drops the ball, regathers on the back foot...and then just straight up smokes LF on the outside....i start questioning how much effort he was putting in to get back
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@Kiwiwomble Yep - and the effort thing applies to his kick chase too.
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