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@no-quarter said in NZ Politics:
It's still a small number overall, but I'm not comfortable with increasing refugee quotas given what is happening in Europe. Won't really affect me though - it's the poor in NZ that get fucked over by this type of thing.
Oher than giving Rabbit teeth a halo she can parade around with, exactly how is this a cost that benefits NZ in any way shape or form? NZ has absolutely no obligation to take this number. If Japan won't, why should NZ?
I would also add that family reunification etc will increase that number considerably. It will be much more in a decade.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
I would also add that family reunification etc will increase that number considerably. It will be much more in a decade.
The current family reunification annual limit is 300: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/refugee-family-support-resident-visa
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@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
I would also add that family reunification etc will increase that number considerably. It will be much more in a decade.
The current family reunification annual limit is 300: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/refugee-family-support-resident-visa
That's a good policy. Is there any way of bypassing it? I would be very surprised if an accepted refugee who had a wife and children was barred from bringing them into the country. I'd also be surprised if that figure isn't increased following the latest policy.
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https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/statistics/statistics-refugee-quota-arrivals for recent source countries to NZ (current financial year and the last eleven years) . Not sure what UNHCR may be up to in Venezuela, will be interesting to see if they end up on the list given recent developments there...
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This is such a colossal load of bullshit. To date I am still yet to see any study that definitely proves that women get paid less than men for the same work. All we have it total earning's over a lifetime, without taking into account so many variables that the data is completely meaningless.
These quotes are absurd:
Sage said the legislation would provide a simple and accessible way for workers to make claims within the country's existing bargaining framework. "Discrimination has led to lower pay for many female-dominated industries, despite having similar working conditions and skill requirements to comparable male-dominated occupations. "We must continue to close the gender pay gap and this bill is one piece of the puzzle to achieve that," she said. The Government has defined "pay equity" as requiring women and men receive the same pay for doing jobs that are different "but of equal value"
"equal value"?! WTF does that even mean? How can you possibly enforce that?
And do they seriously expect us to believe that many female dominated industries are lower paid just because of discrimination?
Thankfully the comments section is full of people calling this out for what it is - Marxist bullshit.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/107196234/pay-equity-bill-unveiled-by-government
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@no-quarter said in NZ Politics:
This is such a colossal load of bullshit. To date I am still yet to see any study that definitely proves that women get paid less than men for the same work. All we have it total earning's over a lifetime, without taking into account so many variables that the data is completely meaningless.
These quotes are absurd:
Sage said the legislation would provide a simple and accessible way for workers to make claims within the country's existing bargaining framework. "Discrimination has led to lower pay for many female-dominated industries, despite having similar working conditions and skill requirements to comparable male-dominated occupations. "We must continue to close the gender pay gap and this bill is one piece of the puzzle to achieve that," she said. The Government has defined "pay equity" as requiring women and men receive the same pay for doing jobs that are different "but of equal value"
"equal value"?! WTF does that even mean? How can you possibly enforce that?
And do they seriously expect us to believe that many female dominated industries are lower paid just because of discrimination?
Thankfully the comments section is full of people calling this out for what it is - Marxist bullshit.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/107196234/pay-equity-bill-unveiled-by-government
That "equal value" argument is hilarious. Having realised that their underlying argument is total bullshit they then have to move the goalposts.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
I would also add that family reunification etc will increase that number considerably. It will be much more in a decade.
The current family reunification annual limit is 300: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/refugee-family-support-resident-visa
That's a good policy. Is there any way of bypassing it? I would be very surprised if an accepted refugee who had a wife and children was barred from bringing them into the country. I'd also be surprised if that figure isn't increased following the latest policy.
The press release talked about a "proportionate" increase to the reunification numbers, presumably to 450 or 600 depending on which refugee number that reunification quota was originally based on.
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/statistics/statistics-refugee-family-support-category-pack are the stats. Looks like 235 Family Support Category Residence Visa's were granted in 2017.
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@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
I would also add that family reunification etc will increase that number considerably. It will be much more in a decade.
The current family reunification annual limit is 300: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/refugee-family-support-resident-visa
That's a good policy. Is there any way of bypassing it? I would be very surprised if an accepted refugee who had a wife and children was barred from bringing them into the country. I'd also be surprised if that figure isn't increased following the latest policy.
The press release talked about a "proportionate" increase to the reunification numbers, presumably to 450 or 600 depending on which refugee number that reunification quota was originally based on.
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/statistics/statistics-refugee-family-support-category-pack are the stats. Looks like 235 Family Support Category Residence Visa's were granted in 2017.
That's on refugee visas right. So what happens after they receive permanent residency or citizenship? No cap on the number after that I presume.
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They tried denying it a few hours ago but it looks like they realised they didn't have a leg to stand on.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/107220296/massey-universitys-board-is-moving-against-its-vicechancellorRead the student unions comments about this fool
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107196687/don-brashs-speech-at-massey-university-was-cancelled-due-to-racist-behaviours -
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
I would also add that family reunification etc will increase that number considerably. It will be much more in a decade.
The current family reunification annual limit is 300: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/refugee-family-support-resident-visa
That's a good policy. Is there any way of bypassing it? I would be very surprised if an accepted refugee who had a wife and children was barred from bringing them into the country. I'd also be surprised if that figure isn't increased following the latest policy.
The press release talked about a "proportionate" increase to the reunification numbers, presumably to 450 or 600 depending on which refugee number that reunification quota was originally based on.
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/statistics/statistics-refugee-family-support-category-pack are the stats. Looks like 235 Family Support Category Residence Visa's were granted in 2017.
That's on refugee visas right. So what happens after they receive permanent residency or citizenship? No cap on the number after that I presume.
For residence, effectively there is a cap (Edit: for wider family). The sibling category closed altogether around 2012ish, and the parent category is on hold: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/parent-resident-visa
There are visitor and temporary options - https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/options/join-family/all-family-visas - but residence is harder unless they are a partner or a dependant child.
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@no-quarter
Practically it'd be a slam dunk to prosecute an evil man employer flouting the equal pay LAW. Australia has a law dating from 1984 prohibiting non equal pay on gender basis, I bet NZ has one too.It's illegal, so what more can you do than prosecute the criminal employer?
Subpoena the pay statements from the man and woman, in court. Win the case easily and you've got a week's headlines right there.
Haven't seen that yet, but apparently it's widespread...
Disregarding the obvious fact that if allowed to pay women less, then men wouldn't be employed.
Frustrating and obvious shit stirring from those peddling this argument
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@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
I would also add that family reunification etc will increase that number considerably. It will be much more in a decade.
The current family reunification annual limit is 300: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/refugee-family-support-resident-visa
That's a good policy. Is there any way of bypassing it? I would be very surprised if an accepted refugee who had a wife and children was barred from bringing them into the country. I'd also be surprised if that figure isn't increased following the latest policy.
The press release talked about a "proportionate" increase to the reunification numbers, presumably to 450 or 600 depending on which refugee number that reunification quota was originally based on.
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/statistics/statistics-refugee-family-support-category-pack are the stats. Looks like 235 Family Support Category Residence Visa's were granted in 2017.
That's on refugee visas right. So what happens after they receive permanent residency or citizenship? No cap on the number after that I presume.
For residence, effectively there is a cap (Edit: for wider family). The sibling category closed altogether around 2012ish, and the parent category is on hold: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/parent-resident-visa
There are visitor and temporary options - https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/options/join-family/all-family-visas - but residence is harder unless they are a partner or a dependant child.
I'd be super curious about NZ refugee intake outcomes ie employment and migrant status down the track.
There were some horrific stats outta Sweden with less than 1% of the 168,000 intake gaining legal employment, seems like a powder-keg situation developing there.
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@rembrandt said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
I would also add that family reunification etc will increase that number considerably. It will be much more in a decade.
The current family reunification annual limit is 300: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/refugee-family-support-resident-visa
That's a good policy. Is there any way of bypassing it? I would be very surprised if an accepted refugee who had a wife and children was barred from bringing them into the country. I'd also be surprised if that figure isn't increased following the latest policy.
The press release talked about a "proportionate" increase to the reunification numbers, presumably to 450 or 600 depending on which refugee number that reunification quota was originally based on.
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/statistics/statistics-refugee-family-support-category-pack are the stats. Looks like 235 Family Support Category Residence Visa's were granted in 2017.
That's on refugee visas right. So what happens after they receive permanent residency or citizenship? No cap on the number after that I presume.
For residence, effectively there is a cap (Edit: for wider family). The sibling category closed altogether around 2012ish, and the parent category is on hold: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/parent-resident-visa
There are visitor and temporary options - https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/options/join-family/all-family-visas - but residence is harder unless they are a partner or a dependant child.
I'd be super curious about NZ refugee intake outcomes ie employment and migrant status down the track.
There were some horrific stats outta Sweden with less than 1% of the 168,000 intake gaining legal employment, seems like a powder-keg situation developing there.
Outcomes for NZ's refugee intake aren't always a straight comparison with the likes of Sweden. Europe seems to have more 'economic' refugees who have sought out certain places by choice and/or their wherewithal to get there from their source country without UN or other agency help. NZ's intake is chosen first by assessment via UNHCR on 'genuine need' and then more local checks are carried out.
How are refugees selected to come to New Zealand?
The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) is the international organisation responsible for protecting refugees and seeking durable solutions for them. UNHCR decides which refugees are in the greatest need of resettlement and asks resettlement countries to consider accepting them. Immigration New Zealand then makes the final decision about who will be included in the quota.(https://www.redcross.org.nz/what-we-do/in-new-zealand/refugee-programmes/who-are-refugees/)
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@donsteppa I expect the countries they come from makes a difference too.
I know a family that fled Croatia in the 90s (at the time NZ & Canada were the only countries accepting them) they settled and integrated and are extremely successful, as are the children (academically and sporting)
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107227755/dairy-production-helps-new-zealand-economy-pick-up-speed
The economy bounced back strongly in the lead up to winter, with Statistics New Zealand reporting the strongest quarter of growth in two years.
Who'd have thunk it?
Turns out Jacinderella is a Master Economic Manager - just like Trump!
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@chris-b said in NZ Politics:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107227755/dairy-production-helps-new-zealand-economy-pick-up-speed
The economy bounced back strongly in the lead up to winter, with Statistics New Zealand reporting the strongest quarter of growth in two years.
Who'd have thunk it?
Turns out Jacinderella is a Master Economic Manager - just like Trump!
Nothing like Trumps economic achievements yet, but good to see Trump is getting some acknowledgement.
How trump got the economy moving is well known, but what exact policies has this govt introduced to promote growth?
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa I expect the countries they come from makes a difference too.
I know a family that fled Croatia in the 90s (at the time NZ & Canada were the only countries accepting them) they settled and integrated and are extremely successful, as are the children (academically and sporting)
Genuine refugees can be a massive asset to a country and certainly more productive than much of the local bogan trash. People who are genuinely happy to be in their new country and want success and to give something back will always be a net benefit. Economic refugees on the other hand....
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What would malke this circle of political life complete would be for National to start rabbiting on about hoe this growth isnt being shared by all kiwis, how things arent 'fair' , people are sleeping in cars and the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in NZ Politics:
@chris-b said in NZ Politics:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107227755/dairy-production-helps-new-zealand-economy-pick-up-speed
The economy bounced back strongly in the lead up to winter, with Statistics New Zealand reporting the strongest quarter of growth in two years.
Who'd have thunk it?
Turns out Jacinderella is a Master Economic Manager - just like Trump!
Nothing like Trumps economic achievements yet, but good to see Trump is getting some acknowledgement.
How trump got the economy moving is well known, but what exact policies has this govt introduced to promote growth?
Informal devaluations of the currency?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa I expect the countries they come from makes a difference too.
I know a family that fled Croatia in the 90s (at the time NZ & Canada were the only countries accepting them) they settled and integrated and are extremely successful, as are the children (academically and sporting)
Genuine refugees can be a massive asset to a country and certainly more productive than much of the local bogan trash. People who are genuinely happy to be in their new country and want success and to give something back will always be a net benefit. Economic refugees on the other hand....
On the tram this morning still working through Strange death of Europe book and end up sitting next to a woman in the full burka. How on earth can you possibly integrate in a western society when you wear that? I'm big on freedom but this is where I am absolutely not consistent, this attire should not be allowed in public. It signifies a particularly radical form of Islam that would mean the death of fairly normal freethinking individuals like myself, its basically a wall creating an us vs them divide and completely dehumanises women.
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