-
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@paekakboyz I am sure they have the stats, but it sure feels like.the past few years since Aus been exporting those criminals our crime has been on the increase, more petty stuff and certainly alot more serious stuff, particularly involving guns.
Yeah, it's whole new gangs being started that are based on the Oz MC models which are outright criminal enterprises with guns more prevalent. The 'traditional' NZ gangs are a mixture.
The raw numbers of Oz MC gang members isn't overly high it's just that they report back to their Oz chapters who enable them to set up and recruit whole new enterprises in the NZ market. There is a race element as well.
The trad gangs hate them too. Not just because of turf wars and dealing but because of the increase in tensions that they bring and the race part. MM and BP are Maori based, Crips/Bloods/ KBs are PI based. The MCs are mainly white.
We went through a period before the 501s where trad gangs had settled down and new their boundaries. There was the odd flare up but generally it was just the drugs element that police could concentrate on. Now they have to keep an eye on all movements in a crowded scene. -
-
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in NZ Politics:
New Zealand Prime Ministerette goes full third world dictator: “We will continue to be your single source of truth.”
Good Lord it has a big gob! ... and it is dangerous, with this “my truth is the only true truth, you peasants!”, because it clearly believes you lot deserve this from her!
Bro.
Calm down. -
@kruse said in NZ Politics:
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in NZ Politics:
New Zealand Prime Ministerette goes full third world dictator: “We will continue to be your single source of truth.”
Good Lord it has a big gob! ... and it is dangerous, with this “my truth is the only true truth, you peasants!”, because it clearly believes you lot deserve this from her!
Bro.
Calm down.Eh?
-
returning to the free speech debate, spotted this and thought I'd share. This is the end game of not vigorously defending freedom of speech - at some stage, those who have levers to pull start pulling them to ban speech that is offensive to those in power, but really really important.
-
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
returning to the free speech debate, spotted this and thought I'd share. This is the end game of not vigorously defending freedom of speech - at some stage, those who have levers to pull start pulling them to ban speech that is offensive to those in power, but really really important.
It is Communist China so hardly surprising.
I've missed the relevance to NZ Politics though?
-
@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
returning to the free speech debate, spotted this and thought I'd share. This is the end game of not vigorously defending freedom of speech - at some stage, those who have levers to pull start pulling them to ban speech that is offensive to those in power, but really really important.
It is Communist China so hardly surprising.
I've missed the relevance to NZ Politics though?
Joining the dots for you, we're having a debate about freedom of speech in our country at the moment. This is the extreme end of freedom of speech being held by the government ... arresting people for publishing allegorical kids books. The heart of the issue is who gets to decide what's OK and what's not -- if it's the government, eventually it'll be some folk you don't agree with.
-
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in NZ Politics:
@kruse said in NZ Politics:
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in NZ Politics:
New Zealand Prime Ministerette goes full third world dictator: “We will continue to be your single source of truth.”
Good Lord it has a big gob! ... and it is dangerous, with this “my truth is the only true truth, you peasants!”, because it clearly believes you lot deserve this from her!
Bro.
Calm down.Eh?
Lose the insults about her appearance . And "It"? Grow up.
-
@smudge
This coming from a palooka who comes up with "I think I've come up with a word to describe the fatigue one suffers from reading too many columns on Ardern: Jaundicinda."?Peddle your hypocrisy to anyone but me, boof. You are stupid enough to vote for the evil fraud - live with it.
-
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in NZ Politics:
@smudge
This coming from a palooka who comes up with "I think I've come up with a word to describe the fatigue one suffers from reading too many columns on Ardern: Jaundicinda."?Peddle your hypocrisy to anyone but me, boof. You are stupid enough to vote for the evil fraud - live with it.
Key difference there, champ. That's a play on words on the fact I was tired of the number of columns fawning over her a while back, not a personal attack on her appearance.
Secondly, my comments in that post should probably give you the hint I'm not her biggest fan and most certainly did not vote for her party last year.
-
This is where we are in the culture wars. Academics saying that cultural beliefs are not sciences are vilified by Auckland University and the Royal Society.
Māori academics online have been encouraging people who do not agree with the letter to lodge a complaint to the Royal Society.
I struggle deeply with the concept that science is fundamentally racist. The whole basis of science is factual observation, and a lack of trust - ie that your observations are independently verified. Well, in the hard sciences at least ... replication issues in the social sciences is a bit of a major headache. As Rutherford famously said All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
The takeaway for me, though, is there is a real concern about being able to actually express views that aren't popular. Dollars to donuts there is significnat backlash to these scientists who disagree with the current viewpoint. Disagreement is at the heart of science. Feels like believing in and trusting the scientific method is starting to make me out of step with modern society and possibly a racist. It doesn't feel good.
-
Social science is a misnomer. Trading on science to gain respectability for twaddle, speciousness or obvious common sense.
-
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
This is where we are in the culture wars. Academics saying that cultural beliefs are not sciences are vilified by Auckland University and the Royal Society.
Māori academics online have been encouraging people who do not agree with the letter to lodge a complaint to the Royal Society.
I struggle deeply with the concept that science is fundamentally racist. The whole basis of science is factual observation, and a lack of trust - ie that your observations are independently verified. Well, in the hard sciences at least ... replication issues in the social sciences is a bit of a major headache. As Rutherford famously said All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
The takeaway for me, though, is there is a real concern about being able to actually express views that aren't popular. Dollars to donuts there is significnat backlash to these scientists who disagree with the current viewpoint. Disagreement is at the heart of science. Feels like believing in and trusting the scientific method is starting to make me out of step with modern society and possibly a racist. It doesn't feel good.
All quite weird really. The course states "promotes discussion and analysis of the ways......" which, to me, doesn't state a position rather an exploration of a notion.
Why a group of scientists would dismiss the exploration and discussion of a notion to add or remove value to it is a bit beyond me.
It's kind of saying "you don't need to look at that we already know the answer without doing so". -
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
This is where we are in the culture wars. Academics saying that cultural beliefs are not sciences are vilified by Auckland University and the Royal Society.
Māori academics online have been encouraging people who do not agree with the letter to lodge a complaint to the Royal Society.
I struggle deeply with the concept that science is fundamentally racist. The whole basis of science is factual observation, and a lack of trust - ie that your observations are independently verified. Well, in the hard sciences at least ... replication issues in the social sciences is a bit of a major headache. As Rutherford famously said All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
The takeaway for me, though, is there is a real concern about being able to actually express views that aren't popular. Dollars to donuts there is significnat backlash to these scientists who disagree with the current viewpoint. Disagreement is at the heart of science. Feels like believing in and trusting the scientific method is starting to make me out of step with modern society and possibly a racist. It doesn't feel good.
All quite weird really. The course states "promotes discussion and analysis of the ways......" which, to me, doesn't state a position rather an exploration of a notion.
Why a group of scientists would dismiss the exploration and discussion of a notion to add or remove value to it is a bit beyond me.
It's kind of saying "you don't need to look at that we already know the answer without doing so".A bit disingenuous not to quote the entire description;
"promotes discussion and analysis of the ways in which science has been used to support the dominance of Eurocentric views (among which, its use as a rationale for colonisation of Māori and the suppression of Māori knowledge): and the notion that science is a Western European invention and itself evidence of European dominance over Māori and other indigenous peoples."
It's not science as they have already decided the "notion" that science is basically racist. Which is a completely stupid "notion".
Science examines observations to build theory, not cherrypick observations to label an entire race/civilisation as racists and point at people as oppressors.
-
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
This is where we are in the culture wars. Academics saying that cultural beliefs are not sciences are vilified by Auckland University and the Royal Society.
Māori academics online have been encouraging people who do not agree with the letter to lodge a complaint to the Royal Society.
I struggle deeply with the concept that science is fundamentally racist. The whole basis of science is factual observation, and a lack of trust - ie that your observations are independently verified. Well, in the hard sciences at least ... replication issues in the social sciences is a bit of a major headache. As Rutherford famously said All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
The takeaway for me, though, is there is a real concern about being able to actually express views that aren't popular. Dollars to donuts there is significnat backlash to these scientists who disagree with the current viewpoint. Disagreement is at the heart of science. Feels like believing in and trusting the scientific method is starting to make me out of step with modern society and possibly a racist. It doesn't feel good.
All quite weird really. The course states "promotes discussion and analysis of the ways......" which, to me, doesn't state a position rather an exploration of a notion.
Why a group of scientists would dismiss the exploration and discussion of a notion to add or remove value to it is a bit beyond me.
It's kind of saying "you don't need to look at that we already know the answer without doing so".that bit isn't really that pearl clutching at all.
RNZ characterised it as this though
They raise their concerns about an NCEA working group's proposed changes to the school curriculum that will ensure parity for mātauranga Māori with other bodies of knowledge.Disclaimer: in true Fern fashion I haven't read the actual letter, just the RNZ reporting on it
-
OK, so I read the letter now.
well worth it. All you can say is there has been brutal mischaracterisation of what was said. Their argument is that science is really important, and isnt' western (refer to the list of origins outside the west). Furthermore, while indigenous knowledge is critical and important, it falls short of being science, and to put them alongside each other is not OK.
NZ Politics