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@smudge
This coming from a palooka who comes up with "I think I've come up with a word to describe the fatigue one suffers from reading too many columns on Ardern: Jaundicinda."?Peddle your hypocrisy to anyone but me, boof. You are stupid enough to vote for the evil fraud - live with it.
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in NZ Politics:
@smudge
This coming from a palooka who comes up with "I think I've come up with a word to describe the fatigue one suffers from reading too many columns on Ardern: Jaundicinda."?Peddle your hypocrisy to anyone but me, boof. You are stupid enough to vote for the evil fraud - live with it.
Key difference there, champ. That's a play on words on the fact I was tired of the number of columns fawning over her a while back, not a personal attack on her appearance.
Secondly, my comments in that post should probably give you the hint I'm not her biggest fan and most certainly did not vote for her party last year.
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This is where we are in the culture wars. Academics saying that cultural beliefs are not sciences are vilified by Auckland University and the Royal Society.
Māori academics online have been encouraging people who do not agree with the letter to lodge a complaint to the Royal Society.
I struggle deeply with the concept that science is fundamentally racist. The whole basis of science is factual observation, and a lack of trust - ie that your observations are independently verified. Well, in the hard sciences at least ... replication issues in the social sciences is a bit of a major headache. As Rutherford famously said All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
The takeaway for me, though, is there is a real concern about being able to actually express views that aren't popular. Dollars to donuts there is significnat backlash to these scientists who disagree with the current viewpoint. Disagreement is at the heart of science. Feels like believing in and trusting the scientific method is starting to make me out of step with modern society and possibly a racist. It doesn't feel good.
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Social science is a misnomer. Trading on science to gain respectability for twaddle, speciousness or obvious common sense.
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
This is where we are in the culture wars. Academics saying that cultural beliefs are not sciences are vilified by Auckland University and the Royal Society.
Māori academics online have been encouraging people who do not agree with the letter to lodge a complaint to the Royal Society.
I struggle deeply with the concept that science is fundamentally racist. The whole basis of science is factual observation, and a lack of trust - ie that your observations are independently verified. Well, in the hard sciences at least ... replication issues in the social sciences is a bit of a major headache. As Rutherford famously said All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
The takeaway for me, though, is there is a real concern about being able to actually express views that aren't popular. Dollars to donuts there is significnat backlash to these scientists who disagree with the current viewpoint. Disagreement is at the heart of science. Feels like believing in and trusting the scientific method is starting to make me out of step with modern society and possibly a racist. It doesn't feel good.
All quite weird really. The course states "promotes discussion and analysis of the ways......" which, to me, doesn't state a position rather an exploration of a notion.
Why a group of scientists would dismiss the exploration and discussion of a notion to add or remove value to it is a bit beyond me.
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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
This is where we are in the culture wars. Academics saying that cultural beliefs are not sciences are vilified by Auckland University and the Royal Society.
Māori academics online have been encouraging people who do not agree with the letter to lodge a complaint to the Royal Society.
I struggle deeply with the concept that science is fundamentally racist. The whole basis of science is factual observation, and a lack of trust - ie that your observations are independently verified. Well, in the hard sciences at least ... replication issues in the social sciences is a bit of a major headache. As Rutherford famously said All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
The takeaway for me, though, is there is a real concern about being able to actually express views that aren't popular. Dollars to donuts there is significnat backlash to these scientists who disagree with the current viewpoint. Disagreement is at the heart of science. Feels like believing in and trusting the scientific method is starting to make me out of step with modern society and possibly a racist. It doesn't feel good.
All quite weird really. The course states "promotes discussion and analysis of the ways......" which, to me, doesn't state a position rather an exploration of a notion.
Why a group of scientists would dismiss the exploration and discussion of a notion to add or remove value to it is a bit beyond me.
It's kind of saying "you don't need to look at that we already know the answer without doing so".A bit disingenuous not to quote the entire description;
"promotes discussion and analysis of the ways in which science has been used to support the dominance of Eurocentric views (among which, its use as a rationale for colonisation of Māori and the suppression of Māori knowledge): and the notion that science is a Western European invention and itself evidence of European dominance over Māori and other indigenous peoples."
It's not science as they have already decided the "notion" that science is basically racist. Which is a completely stupid "notion".
Science examines observations to build theory, not cherrypick observations to label an entire race/civilisation as racists and point at people as oppressors.
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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
This is where we are in the culture wars. Academics saying that cultural beliefs are not sciences are vilified by Auckland University and the Royal Society.
Māori academics online have been encouraging people who do not agree with the letter to lodge a complaint to the Royal Society.
I struggle deeply with the concept that science is fundamentally racist. The whole basis of science is factual observation, and a lack of trust - ie that your observations are independently verified. Well, in the hard sciences at least ... replication issues in the social sciences is a bit of a major headache. As Rutherford famously said All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
The takeaway for me, though, is there is a real concern about being able to actually express views that aren't popular. Dollars to donuts there is significnat backlash to these scientists who disagree with the current viewpoint. Disagreement is at the heart of science. Feels like believing in and trusting the scientific method is starting to make me out of step with modern society and possibly a racist. It doesn't feel good.
All quite weird really. The course states "promotes discussion and analysis of the ways......" which, to me, doesn't state a position rather an exploration of a notion.
Why a group of scientists would dismiss the exploration and discussion of a notion to add or remove value to it is a bit beyond me.
It's kind of saying "you don't need to look at that we already know the answer without doing so".that bit isn't really that pearl clutching at all.
RNZ characterised it as this though
They raise their concerns about an NCEA working group's proposed changes to the school curriculum that will ensure parity for mātauranga Māori with other bodies of knowledge.Disclaimer: in true Fern fashion I haven't read the actual letter, just the RNZ reporting on it
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OK, so I read the letter now.
well worth it. All you can say is there has been brutal mischaracterisation of what was said. Their argument is that science is really important, and isnt' western (refer to the list of origins outside the west). Furthermore, while indigenous knowledge is critical and important, it falls short of being science, and to put them alongside each other is not OK.
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and the article for the least surprising news...
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
and the article for the least surprising news...
Very difficult for a new player to come in and have the economies of scale that the big boys have. Maybe someone like ALDI from Oz, who stock odd brands would work, but they have to be so big it probably has to be ALDI
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@canefan Costco has already announced its opening in NW Akl which will be good news for shoppers around there as the two chains drop their prices to match the newcomers.
Also plan to open in Chch and Wtn.
Of course with Costco you have to buy in bulk but Kiwi's have already demonstrated that we are prepared to do that - for toilet paper at least
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@canefan I remember reading Bransons book and alot of the underhand shit BA did to try and stop Virgin getting a foothold in the market, I expect the 2 major players would easily be able to pressure thier suppliers into not supplying the new player/s
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@nzzp Interesting that the Pro0fessors who signed it were from Schools of Psychology, Education and Biological Sciences. You could argue that only one of those disciplines is a science.
You could also argue that some traditional learning is at least as scientific as the social sciences.
What you should not argue is that science is inherently racist. It's as nonsensical as saying my TV or the rock in my garden is racist.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp Interesting that the Pro0fessors who signed it were from Schools of Psychology, Education and Biological Sciences. You could argue that only one of those disciplines is a science.
Garth Cooper is one of New Zealand's foremost scientists, and was a key part of the development of the first transgenic protein and biologic drug (insulin).
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
OK, so I read the letter now.
well worth it. All you can say is there has been brutal mischaracterisation of what was said. Their argument is that science is really important, and isnt' western (refer to the list of origins outside the west). Furthermore, while indigenous knowledge is critical and important, it falls short of being science, and to put them alongside each other is not OK.
As soon as we can hibernate people, I'll believe Idiocracy is a documentary.
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@tim Thanks for that. It was more directed at Education and Psychology.
I dissected an earthworm in Form 3. I know Biology is a science. I also did a double major - one of which was a social science so I know they're not science. DM's definition if you can blag and bullshit your way through a paper it's Arts.
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