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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@jegga and in other news, Winston is still a fluffybunny getting away with whatever he wants.
That news is 35 years old
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
That news is 35 years old
and?
This is NZ Media where handing someone a beer opener is news!
Plus, still more relevant!
Although more like 50 years old!
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
That news is 35 years old
and?
This is NZ Media where handing someone a beer opener is news!
Plus, still more relevant!
Although more like 50 years old!
No and. Just saying Winston has been a skilled wage thief and a shyster for some time
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As I've said before not a single party to vote for.
Bridges is useless and Chinas puppet, probably labour as well and if not they are incompetent. Winnie offers nothing.
Greens are ridiculous.Then there is act who I will probably vote as a vote of no confidence.
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@muddyriver said in NZ Politics:
As I've said before not a single party to vote for.
Bridges is useless and Chinas puppet, probably labour as well and if not they are incompetent. Winnie offers nothing.
Greens are ridiculous.Then there is act who I will probably vote as a vote of no confidence.
So not swayed by the passing of the bottle opener then?
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@muddyriver said in NZ Politics:
As I've said before not a single party to vote for.
Bridges is useless and Chinas puppet, probably labour as well and if not they are incompetent. Winnie offers nothing.
Greens are ridiculous.Then there is act who I will probably vote as a vote of no confidence.
Don't get sucked into US style presidential politics. Vote for the policies not the personality.
I don't like Bridges either.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@muddyriver said in NZ Politics:
As I've said before not a single party to vote for.
Bridges is useless and Chinas puppet, probably labour as well and if not they are incompetent. Winnie offers nothing.
Greens are ridiculous.Then there is act who I will probably vote as a vote of no confidence.
Don't get sucked into US style presidential politics. Vote for the policies not the personality.
I don't like Bridges either.
Bridges comes across as more bland than offensive. I’m not sure how much weight should be given to preferred pm polls either , you might think Ardern is a nice person but that Labour as a party are fairly useless
It surprises me that more isn’t made of Winston’s digs at him , Bennett and Seymour Maori ancestry being “ accidental “ .
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@Kirwan national has vaguely stated they want to reopen the housing market to foreign buyers one of labours few decent moves. That's a no for me. I believe that goes heavily against what the country wants, so its poor politics too.
I vote completely on policy I dont watch much tv.
I want better immigration control(ie much less than the 70k )and less dumb shit basically (free tertiary education carbon agreements) and some plan to stimulate business investment and innovation. -
@muddyriver fair enough, thats the right way to look at it IMO.
Not sure I agree about the overseas investment, I think that's made rent more expensive in Auckland as investors leave the market or don't have access anymore. It shouldn't be a free for all, but we shouldn't demonise it either.
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National have mentioned tax cuts if they get in, surely the better option would be to look at our tax brackets, which will essentially be doing the same thing but with a longer term view?
The lower ones all need to be adjusted, when was the last time they were adjusted?
$70k+ is the top bracket...a few different results out there when trying to find the ave NZ salary, but it ranges from around $65k to $75k on a few pages I found, which means that average earners in NZ are likely in the top tax bracket...surely that is wrong?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110523771/100k-a-lot-or-a-little-whats-wealthy-in-nz-in-2019
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
Not sure I agree about the overseas investment, I think that's made rent more expensive in Auckland as investors leave the market or don't have access anymore. It shouldn't be a free for all, but we shouldn't demonise it either.
It's a supply issue. Lot's of people want to live in Auckland but it's been too difficult to build over the years.
I dislike the language that is directed at landlords too. They provide a service to renters. That's true regardless of where the owner is located or how many properties they have. Limiting the supply of landlords to boost home ownership will not lower rents
Worried about speculators in the Auckland market? Well that caused by the supply problem too
Labour & National created this problem and they have no plan to fix it. They'll just tinker around, dealing with symptoms and never get to the root cause.
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I'd argue it's difficult to set a number for immigration without thinking about the demand side part of the equation. A lot of people in NZ do want a lower number, but if so...
- Which industries and employers don't we want to have access to migrant workers? And/or
- Which part of the economy do we want to stop growing?
The 70k figure is raised to consciousness by the media debate, but I suspect it doesn't always mean what the average punter thinks it means.
I.e. in the 2018/19 June financial year there were 242,367 people approved for temporary work visas in NZ: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/statistics/statistics-work-applications-approved-by-occupation
If we want to, say, "make the local unemployed do more of those these jobs instead", what will our employers do about the shortfall between that 242,367 figure... and the 143,000 people currently on a job seeker benefit? https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/401188/number-of-people-on-jobseeker-benefit-climbs-10-percent (those two numbers aren't a complete labour market comparison, but does illustrate the extent of demand)
There are good conversations to be had about labour use and labour practices in some industries, but I'm not convinced that reducing the residency range or PLT arrivals and departures solves that well for anyone.
(And do we really want our own Mum or Granny being looked after in a rest home by a proverbial disaffected 19 year old who is being "made" to work there as a carer...)
There are perhaps some unintended consequences of the 'foreign home ownership ban' on how soon skilled migrants can buy a house.... we're happy to have, say, skilled surgeon's/oncologists etc to reduce our DHB waiting lists... but just don't buy a house for a while on arrival though please...
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@Donsteppa it is a complicated problem but I think there needs to be a degree of control. Our neighbours are mainland chinese with residency (I assume). They bought a neighbouring property for far in excess of its CV and I would not be surprised if they continue to snap up property, and I am sure that I could no longer afford to buy in our street. They spend no more than 6 months in NZ, the rest in China. I don't think that is right.
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Donsteppa it is a complicated problem but I think there needs to be a degree of control. Our neighbours are mainland chinese with residency (I assume). They bought a neighbouring property for far in excess of its CV and I would not be surprised if they continue to snap up property, and I am sure that I could no longer afford to buy in our street. They spend no more than 6 months in NZ, the rest in China. I don't think that is right
I agree - my hunch is that both major parties talk past each other on "banning Johnny Foreigner" and that the nuance is lost in the rhetoric.
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In general we are far too generous as a nation. Why should migrants of any kind be able to get WINZ help immediately? Coming from countries that have no social welfare it must be like a dream. I know more than one person whose parents brought them to NZ for free high schooling and cheap uni education and when it was done they pissed off back to Asia never to return. It's not just asians, but I will used that example. My sister lives in Oz and they get little or no government help. Isn't the privilege of living here enough? The aussies have it right
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@Duluth said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
Not sure I agree about the overseas investment, I think that's made rent more expensive in Auckland as investors leave the market or don't have access anymore. It shouldn't be a free for all, but we shouldn't demonise it either.
It's a supply issue. Lot's of people want to live in Auckland but it's been too difficult to build over the years.
I dislike the language that is directed at landlords too. They provide a service to renters. That's true regardless of where the owner is located or how many properties they have. Limiting the supply of landlords to boost home ownership will not lower rents
Worried about speculators in the Auckland market? Well that caused by the supply problem too
Labour & National created this problem and they have no plan to fix it. They'll just tinker around, dealing with symptoms and never get to the root cause.
That renting issue will get worse once landlords lose the ability to kick out problem tenants (Labour proposal). Who'd be a landlord then?
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
In general we are far too generous as a nation. Why should migrants of any kind be able to get WINZ help immediately? Coming from countries that have no social welfare it must be like a dream. I know more than one person whose parents brought them to NZ for free high schooling and cheap uni education and when it was done they pissed off back to Asia never to return. It's not just asians, but I will used that example. My sister lives in Oz and they get little or no government help. Isn't the privilege of living here enough? The aussies have it right
They have to be a resident first? https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/pensions/travelling-or-moving/moving-to-nz/residency-requirements-for-new-zealand-benefits-and-pensions.html
Not many would be eligible on arrival on the whole.
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@Donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
In general we are far too generous as a nation. Why should migrants of any kind be able to get WINZ help immediately? Coming from countries that have no social welfare it must be like a dream. I know more than one person whose parents brought them to NZ for free high schooling and cheap uni education and when it was done they pissed off back to Asia never to return. It's not just asians, but I will used that example. My sister lives in Oz and they get little or no government help. Isn't the privilege of living here enough? The aussies have it right
They have to be a resident first? https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/pensions/travelling-or-moving/moving-to-nz/residency-requirements-for-new-zealand-benefits-and-pensions.html
Not many would be eligible on arrival on the whole.
I think you have me there.... Once they get residency the bank is open
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