Eden Park
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@duluth said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
Also, Eden Park would probably have a better perception if the rugby broadcast was filmed from the North Stand.
It sounds silly but if casual rugby fans were always looking at the 7.5 year old stand they might not be so eager to knock it down.
There's probably logistical reasons for it staying on the South side though (comms box etc)
IF Goff got his his way, where would this inner city stadium be? Victoria Park??
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@duluth said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@dogmeat said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
Both are city fringe anyway. To hear some talk they are in Kumeu or Papakura
It gets repeated without any thought.
I live in the CBD. I go to every game. I walk every time unless its raining.
Then people that don't go to games, or aren't even from Auckland, tell me its too far away.
I live in the CBD, and it's way too far for me to walk with my 5 year old. I'd say it's too far for any family with young kids. But that's not really a problem as it's easy enough to jump on a train.
But, if there's 30k+ people at the match then getting a train back becomes an absolute bloody nightmare. In fact all public transport becomes a nightmare, and Uber/Taxi prices go through the roof.
I like Eden Park, it's a really great stadium to watch rugby, but post match it's a pain in the arse. No doubt a stadium in the city would help with that, as the crowd just dissipates into the city and you have the main train station there that can handle larger numbers.
All of this is irrelevant anyway as there's absolutely no way in hell this will go ahead until Auckland has another reason, like the RWC, to get the funding together.
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@hooroo said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
IF Goff got his his way, where would this inner city stadium be? Victoria Park??
Railway land near the old station, just further out than Spark Arena
Not sure what else they are planning on moving. Because if you look it up on a map there isn't enough space for a stadium there. Roads will have to move etc
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it's a pain for me to get to, but then so would a waterfront Stadium....
seriously though, when I went to the ABs last year, I parked at Albany and caught the bus to EP, walk out after, waited maybe 5-10 mins, caught a bus back to Albany...worst thing is the Albany carpark, exits weren't that well sign posted haha.
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@no-quarter said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
I live in the CBD, and it's way too far for me to walk with my 5 year old. I'd say it's too far for any family with young kids.
Oh yeah, definitely too far with young kids.
Looking around at who lives in central Auckland I'm guessing a young family with an interest in rugby is a tiny population. I doubt many people in my building would know who Kieran Read was..
Close enough for adults easily.
I'm in Lorne Street not far from the middle of Queen St (the old Whitcoulls, Civic etc). I timed it recently and it was 35mins from door to door.
Google claims it is 48mins. The $1.5 billion new stadium would be 22mins according to google
Apartments on K Road would be the same distance from either location
For that amount of money there needs to be much more compelling reasons than distance. I don't think it can be justified given the amount of debt politicians have already accumulated for ratepayers.
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@Duluth all good points. No matter where you put it, it won't be close to everyone. I walked home from the NZ v Aus T20 and it was no real drama.
As I said it's really just after the game that is a real pain, especially if you're not within walking distance and/or have kids, which would be largely alleviated by a stadium in the CBD.
Agree there is no justification for it right now. They missed their chance at the RWC.
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@no-quarter said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@Duluth all good points. No matter where you put it, it won't be close to everyone. I walked home from the NZ v Aus T20 and it was no real drama.
As I said it's really just after the game that is a real pain, especially if you're not within walking distance and/or have kids, which would be largely alleviated by a stadium in the CBD.
Agree there is no justification for it right now. They missed their chance at the RWC.
Yeah! They really missed the boat with that waterfront stadium.............................................................................................................................................................................................
For @dogmeat
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@no-quarter I either drive and have a 15 minute walk back to the car or if I intend to make a night of it catch the free bus to and from Takapuna.
I have always had a drink in my hand well within an hour of the final whistle.
I caught a train to the (notorious) Opening Ceremony in 2011. I honestly think part of the problem is Kiwi crowds think they can turn up 5 minutes before kick off.
A CBD site on railway land would be OK but as Duluth points out there would be space constraints and a site there would still be a good 20-30 minute walk to the entertainment zone.
The one thing I do not want is a waterfront stadium as proposed for the RWC.
Way to totally ruin the waterfront.
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@kirwan said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
I live out West, 15min drive to EP, always get a park then a short walk to stadium.
Easy enough that my daughter has been doing it since she was 7. Eden Park is piss easy to get to.
Personally, I don't think 7 year olds should be driving.
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@duluth said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
I doubt many people in my building would know who Kieran Read was..
What?
Don't you have tenants meetings?
The first item on the agenda should be a prayer for Kieran's back!
Jesus - this is what Tana has to contend with.
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Getting to and from Eden Park is not an issue, even with the parking restrictions in Mt Eden.
The problem is that Eden Park and Mt Smart won't remain viable forever so sooner or later (and sooner will be cheaper) there will need to be a multi-purpose rectangular stadium built. Otherwise it's just a band-aid solution.
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When I was a 7 year old ....
10 minutes to sprint into the field and try to get autographs.
5 minutes inspecting scrum divets.
5 minutes diving over the tryline.
Reassemble with parents back on the terrace, spend 10 minutes crushing beer cans on the terraces.Half an hour had gone, crowd has dispersed,
Game finished at 4:00 anyway, so is now only 4:30.
Today.
No running on the field. No beer cans. And, games finishes at 9pm. Not many kids there. -
@bovidae said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
Getting to and from Eden Park is not an issue, even with the parking restrictions in Mt Eden.
The problem is that Eden Park and Mt Smart won't remain viable forever so sooner or later (and sooner will be cheaper) there will need to be a multi-purpose rectangular stadium built. Otherwise it's just a band-aid solution.
They are talking about the stadium being down near Spark Arena. The area is a wasteland and a stadium wouldn't have a residents association in close proximity to deal with. Like the Caketin a stadium there would be right at the city's central transport hub, everyone should either train or bus in. The downtown nightlife is just down the road for after match entertainment.
Once they establish that EP is going there will be a need for a cricket venue. Western Springs is the right shape, but it would need more links to public transport as the parking is poor around there -
There's going to be parking issues in Auckland regardless, which makes investment in public transport so important. The last time I went to Western Springs we ended up parking near St Lukes and walking. Spark has more parking nearby but accommodating 12K is different to 40K+.
Western Springs has similar issues with residents to Eden Park for night events, albeit less of them.
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@bovidae said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
There's going to be parking issues in Auckland regardless, which makes investment in public transport so important. The last time I went to Western Springs we ended up parking near St Lukes and walking. Spark has more parking nearby but accommodating 12K is different to 40K+.
Western Springs has similar issues with residents to Eden Park for night events, albeit less of them.
Cricket is not as loud as speedway. Their main complaint was the noise of concerts and the speedway
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@canefan said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
Once they establish that EP is going there will be a need for a cricket venue. Western Springs is the right shape, but it would need more links to public transport as the parking is poor around there
If rugby moves from EP, why would cricket need or want to move to WS?
Cricket moves to WS only if rugby stays at EP, surely?
There's multiple permuatations of the Auckland stadium shuffle. But surely both moving out and re-building from scratch is just nuts? Especially if one of the re-build options is the worse located and zero existing facilities at Western Springs.
If rugby moves out. Cricket stays at Eden Park with its more central location and train station - retains the 7 year old triple decker stand. Which apart from the covered seating also has bars, toilets etc, with existing 2 light towers etc. Bulldoze the other 3/4 of the ground, expand the playing surface to a cricket size and build a grass embankment.
3/4 cheaper to maintain, could sell off part of the outer oval.
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@rapido said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@canefan said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
Once they establish that EP is going there will be a need for a cricket venue. Western Springs is the right shape, but it would need more links to public transport as the parking is poor around there
If rugby moves from EP, why would cricket need or want to move to WS?
Cricket moves to WS only if rugby stays at EP, surely?
There's multiple permuatations of the Auckland stadium shuffle. But surely both moving out and re-building from scratch is just nuts? Especially if one of the re-build options is the worse located and zero existing facilities at Western Springs.
If rugby moves out. Cricket stays at Eden Park with its more central location and train station - retains the 7 year old triple decker stand. Which apart from the covered seating also has bars, toilets etc, with existing 2 light towers etc. Bulldoze the other 3/4 of the ground, expand the playing surface to a cricket size and build a grass embankment.
3/4 cheaper to maintain, could sell off part of the outer oval.
The article I posted states that NZC feel EP is not fit for test cricket or limited overs cricket. They think EP compromises the games because of the field shape. So yes they would like to leave
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@canefan said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@rapido said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@canefan said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
Once they establish that EP is going there will be a need for a cricket venue. Western Springs is the right shape, but it would need more links to public transport as the parking is poor around there
If rugby moves from EP, why would cricket need or want to move to WS?
Cricket moves to WS only if rugby stays at EP, surely?
There's multiple permuatations of the Auckland stadium shuffle. But surely both moving out and re-building from scratch is just nuts? Especially if one of the re-build options is the worse located and zero existing facilities at Western Springs.
If rugby moves out. Cricket stays at Eden Park with its more central location and train station - retains the 7 year old triple decker stand. Which apart from the covered seating also has bars, toilets etc, with existing 2 light towers etc. Bulldoze the other 3/4 of the ground, expand the playing surface to a cricket size and build a grass embankment.
3/4 cheaper to maintain, could sell off part of the outer oval.
The article I posted states that NZC feel EP is not fit for test cricket or limited overs cricket. They think EP compromises the games because of the field shape. So yes they would like to leave
It's that shape because of the grandstands, the grandstands are there because of the rugby. If rugby moves ..... there's no longer the need for the north, east and west stands.