Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Forget how you feel about government motivations, these people think we are teetering on the precipice
They are the experts on the ground, I believe this is the prevailing wisdom. It won't take much to overwhelm our hospital system, I expect that the toughest measures will be enacted very shortly
Just dialling in from Switzerland again. Where we had, like NZ, about 50 cases about 2 weeks ago. Currently at about 6000 cases.
People just think NZ will be fine. It’s probably too late already. Should already be level 4. If you have more than 100 cases tomorrow, watch out.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
Great article long, but worth reading till the end
Well it was a good article, read 2.6 million times, but it’s been taken down
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Forget how you feel about government motivations, these people think we are teetering on the precipice
They are the experts on the ground, I believe this is the prevailing wisdom. It won't take much to overwhelm our hospital system, I expect that the toughest measures will be enacted very shortly
That's pretty much where I am too. I studied economics at uni, work in finance, I totally get the impact on the economy. But I also think the government's understand this, they're not operating in an economic vacuum.
Mayne some of the data supports a more economic wait and see approach, but you wonder what else they're being told in private by the meds.
I just think we have to trust them. No sensible government wreaks economic havoc for no reason.
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With China supposedly slowly returning to normalcy, the next 4 or 5 days will give an idea how well they have done, similarly this period will give us an idea how successful the govt actions have been.
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@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
Great article long, but worth reading till the end
Well it was a good article, read 2.6 million times, but it’s been taken down
Seems to still work here:
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
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A bunch of Auckland schools have been linked to Coronavirus, which is completely unsurprising.
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Looks like we will be effectively shut down as of now. Along with most dental practices in NZ. A big shout out to all of you non-compliant fluffybunnies in the country (none of whom probably read this website), if it wasn't for you all not doing what you were told about self isolation and distancing we'd still be operational.
Don't get toothache for the next couple of weeks to months or you are farked -
Ireland calculated the increase rate as 30 % per day. NZ went from 52 to 66 = roughly 30 % increase. Expect 85 to 90 cases total tomorrow, 115 the day after, 150 the day after that and about 325 after 1 week and 2000 after 2 weeks. Don't think the "level 2" plan will work myself.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Looks like we will be effectively shut down as of now. Along with most dental practices in NZ. A big shout out to all of you non-compliant fluffybunnies in the country (none of whom probably read this website), if it wasn't for you all not doing what you were told about self isolation and distancing we'd still be operational.
Don't get toothache for the next couple of weeks to months or you are farkedThat is actually a big fucking worry. Toothaches are fuckin horrible.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Looks like we will be effectively shut down as of now. Along with most dental practices in NZ. A big shout out to all of you non-compliant fluffybunnies in the country (none of whom probably read this website), if it wasn't for you all not doing what you were told about self isolation and distancing we'd still be operational.
Don't get toothache for the next couple of weeks to months or you are farkedThat is actually a big fucking worry. Toothaches are fuckin horrible.
And infected ones can kill you. Even a chipped tooth rubbing on your tongue gets soul destroying really fast
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12318897
That farken does it, now I'm getting mad!!!!
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@voodoo "It's not hyperbolic to say we have only hours to prevent the inevitable horrors we see in countries that waited too long.
Actually it is hyperbolic
As Kirwan said the government has a difficult (probably impossible) balancing act to try and pull off.
Impossible because not only do they have economic and health issues to deal with but also panic merchants and blasé naysayers.
The people deciding policy at the moment seem to be doing a reasonably good job of trying to do exactly this. I'm pretty sure we will lose control in NZ at some stage because the population won't accept the sort of measures enacted in East Asia (yet) but by and large the government have kept the general population on board.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo "It's not hyperbolic to say we have only hours to prevent the inevitable horrors we see in countries that waited too long.
Actually it is hyperbolic
As Kirwan said the government has a difficult (probably impossible) balancing act to try and pull off.
Impossible because not only do they have economic and health issues to deal with but also panic merchants and blasé naysayers.
The people deciding policy at the moment seem to be doing a reasonably good job of trying to do exactly this. I'm pretty sure we will lose control in NZ at some stage because the population won't accept the sort of measures enacted in East Asia (yet) but by and large the government have kept the general population on board.
The MoH and the NZ Dental Council has strongly recommended that all dental practices in NZ stop routine procedures and anything which creates aerosols. Which is basically everything. This has happened because despite the government asking people to be responsible at our borders and within, to practice self isolation and distancing, we have failed to do so. No one knows how long we will be out but it could be a while. All non essential medical surgeries are being shelved for the foreseeable future. Businesses and schools will soon close. Doctors on the front line are calling for an immediate lockdown. I say it's time to do the hard thing and shut it down. The longer we wait will prolong the pain. People need to be saved from themselves and realise this shit is real
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I was thinking about Dental yesterday. Not surprised by that recommendation based on my experiences with plaque removal
Some Doctors on the front line are calling for an immediate lockdown. Just as many are furious at the petition.
I'm not sure a GP has that much more bonafides than the average joe TBH. Yes they will be far more involved but how current and deep is their understanding of the epidemiology of coronavirus.
Doctors can be spooked just as much as the next toilet roll hoarder
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@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Social media and mainstream media this morning seems to be a contest of who can shout "shut everything down yesterday" the loudest.
I will assume they will also insist that all teachers stay on full pay for the duration and therefore feel no financial pain at all?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Social media and mainstream media this morning seems to be a contest of who can shout "shut everything down yesterday" the loudest.
I will assume they will also insist that all teachers stay on full pay for the duration and therefore feel no financial pain at all?
That was the government measure in the economic package, so presumably. I'd suggest just moving the holidays if closing now, and sorting out online lessons in the time off, and then teaching that way until this blows over.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Social media and mainstream media this morning seems to be a contest of who can shout "shut everything down yesterday" the loudest.
I will assume they will also insist that all teachers stay on full pay for the duration and therefore feel no financial pain at all?
That was the government measure in the economic package, so presumably. I'd suggest just moving the holidays if closing now, and sorting out online lessons in the time off, and then teaching that way until this blows over.
Cool so the teachers get full pay whilst demanding others (mainly low earners) are financially decimated ASAP. Typical middle class piston wristed gibbons.