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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@antipodean well i ignored the bit where you implied that muslim immigrants run around wanting people's heads cut off.
the bit where you mention genital mutilation, which is practiced by all religions in certain countries in africa too.
the bit where you mention child marriages, most of which occur in india.
the bit where you said all muslim men are fluffybunnies, but the women are sweet as, they just need your protection.apologies.
You're apologising for using @gollum 's trick of misrepresentation?
you're misrepresenting yourself mate. you started out with look different, different language, different religion etc. means go somewhere else - those were the reasons you gave. then in response to 'what about asians, who fulfil all your criteria?' you basically responded with 'but asians work hard whereas muslims are violent and lazy criminals who don't care about education and practice genital mutilation'.
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@NTA yep, but if migration is managed well, vetted and spread out and supported, i would think that number would be very small in comparison to those who just become normal members of society - there are some nutters in every population unfortunately.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@antipodean well i ignored the bit where you implied that muslim immigrants run around wanting people's heads cut off.
the bit where you mention genital mutilation, which is practiced by all religions in certain countries in africa too.
the bit where you mention child marriages, most of which occur in india.
the bit where you said all muslim men are fluffybunnies, but the women are sweet as, they just need your protection.apologies.
You're apologising for using @gollum 's trick of misrepresentation?
you're misrepresenting yourself mate.
No, I'm genuinely not. I explained why all the reasons didn't apply to Asians, hence tying it back to the statement 'It's much harder to assimilate when you increasingly have less in common'.
I was polite about your misrepresentation, going to the point of even suggesting your comprehension skills were my fault, but I've had enough of your spin so I'll ignore you forthwith.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
I don't think that guy will meet immigration criteria
That's from a protest in Sydney - so he's already here.
The question, like those who identify as Muslim in jail: did he come here as a Muslim? Or did he become a Muslim while here? Might have been born here.
No amount of immigration vetting is going to fix the 2nd-gen who radicalise. That is a different kettle of fish.
Indeed. The 2nd gen who radicalise has been a huge problem among all immigrant groups and religions. Have to keep an extra special eye on the Presbyterians.
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Already posted in 'Awesome stuff on internet ', but the mindset behind this is amazing.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
The ideology of conservative Islamism needs to be strongly challenged and reformed.
How?
Trump is not advocating that. He's advocating banning Muslim immigration. He's fully supportive of the core areas of Islamic extremism - Qutar, Bahrain, Saudi. He's on board with Russia who have a fully functional Sharia state inside their borders fully supported by Putin.
So he's probably not the solution. He's sure as fuck not "challenging" it given his support for the Sunni core states. Nor is Putin.
So what is your route plan? How would you do what you think needs doing?
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@reprobate
Yes. I might agree with you here. But letting in them in very small numbers in a very slow manner with very strong vetting with the situation being monitored that assimilation actually does start to take place after a certain time. Plus reserving the right to stop it if it is not occurring. No possibility of Islamic schools being established - ever. Then yes, miracle of miracles - we might be in agreement. -
@Frank said in US Politics:
The president has laid out a plan to make communities safer
I love the bit where he says "border wall!" then without any irony talks about the time he saw a drug tunnel & time spent on boats.
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A hunting guide and his client accidentally shot each other and then blamed it on undocumented migrants, police in the US have said.
Officers attended the scene at a remote south Texas ranch, near to the Mexico border, in early January, finding the two men bleeding from gunshot wounds. A second guide was involved in the incident, but escaped without injury.The casualties, guide Walker Daughtery, 26, and client Edwin Roberts, 59, and the other guide, Michael Bryant, told police they suspected the shooters were undocumented immigrants they had seen on the ranch earlier in their trip.
Their story was shared thousands of times online after Texas Commissioner of Agriculture and Donald Trump ally Sid Miller wrote about it on Facebook. But police and a grand jury have now concluded the men were lying about the incident, and actually shot each other.
Investigators believe that Mr Daughtery became paranoid that illegal immigrants were inside a vehicle with Mr Roberts and his wife and attempted to get inside without saying anything, prompting Mr Roberts to shoot at the door.Mr Daughtery then ran back to his cabin to grab his gun and to get backup from Mr Bryant, and together they opened fire on the truck. Mr Daughtery and Mr Roberts were both struck by bullets, to the chest and to the arm respectively. It is believed that Mr Daughtery shot Mr Roberts, his client, and Mr Bryant shot Mr Daughtery, his colleague.
Police told news channel CBS 7 they are conducting ballistic testing to determine which guns fired which bullets, but they cannot test the bullet that struck Mr Daughtery as it is too close to his heart to be safely removed. Mr Daughtery and Mr Bryant have both been indicted on third-degree felony charges, punishable by up to five years in prison.
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@gollum said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
The president has laid out a plan to make communities safer
I love the bit where he says "border wall!" then without any irony talks about the time he saw a drug tunnel & time spent on boats.
Maybe some gun laws would help -
A hunting guide and his client accidentally shot each other and then blamed it on undocumented migrants, police in the US have said.
Officers attended the scene at a remote south Texas ranch, near to the Mexico border, in early January, finding the two men bleeding from gunshot wounds. A second guide was involved in the incident, but escaped without injury.The casualties, guide Walker Daughtery, 26, and client Edwin Roberts, 59, and the other guide, Michael Bryant, told police they suspected the shooters were undocumented immigrants they had seen on the ranch earlier in their trip.
Their story was shared thousands of times online after Texas Commissioner of Agriculture and Donald Trump ally Sid Miller wrote about it on Facebook. But police and a grand jury have now concluded the men were lying about the incident, and actually shot each other.
Investigators believe that Mr Daughtery became paranoid that illegal immigrants were inside a vehicle with Mr Roberts and his wife and attempted to get inside without saying anything, prompting Mr Roberts to shoot at the door.Mr Daughtery then ran back to his cabin to grab his gun and to get backup from Mr Bryant, and together they opened fire on the truck. Mr Daughtery and Mr Roberts were both struck by bullets, to the chest and to the arm respectively. It is believed that Mr Daughtery shot Mr Roberts, his client, and Mr Bryant shot Mr Daughtery, his colleague.
Police told news channel CBS 7 they are conducting ballistic testing to determine which guns fired which bullets, but they cannot test the bullet that struck Mr Daughtery as it is too close to his heart to be safely removed. Mr Daughtery and Mr Bryant have both been indicted on third-degree felony charges, punishable by up to five years in prison.
That's Don Don's people!!
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It rubs the nuances on its skin otherwise it gets the hose
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@Stockcar86 said in US Politics:
It rubs the nuances on its skin otherwise it gets the hose
Give me bullet points. BULLET POINTS!!!!!!!!
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Blimey. .. .this is going to get some sand in some vaginas ... or penises .. or whatever you call yourself ... i get so confused.
Actually agree with Trump (and Ben Shapiro, unsurprisingly). BS answer to this though is best. "From today I am 60 years old" ... "No, I don't care that I'm 30 years old, I am 60 and want the rights of 60, as I identify better with people who are 60".
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@gollum
There are other groups that don't want this kind of transgender bathroom bullshit and a return to common sense. Can't please everyone. So tough shit.Out of interest, what is your issue with it? You have a person in the process of having a full sex change wants to use a toilet that they are changing to, thats an issue how? EG a person who looks like a woman, dresses as a woman, has tits, wants to use a woman toilet. But its important (like 30 days into Presidency important) this not be allowed. And also, how many cases do you think there are of this? And ultimately, who does it hurt?
IE "Common sense" implies that the alternative is better for society than what is happening now. How so? Do you think it'll pan out better for that transitioning woman to walk into the mens?
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Personally I wouldn't care either way. i've never understood the obsession we have with gender separated toilets. FFS they have doors you know.
I don't think it was something that required direct legislation though. Legislate for directives and suggested solutions that fit within an agreed framework yes, but forcing schools (in particular) to act a certain way when situations and environments can be vastly different around the country was not really a great idea despite the good intentions.
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