Springboks v All Blacks
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Bit stink for Patty T but while he had a great game last week, he'll need a hell of a lot of those to knock BBBR or Whitelock off their podium.
Todd for Ardie is a bit of a surprise but not really a big one. I think Ardie's better off as an impact sub right now.
Happy Naholo's in for Savea.
Otherwise just common sense. First choice tight five. Kaino back in. TJP gets another start thanks to Aaron Smith being a dumbass. Crotty and ALB rewarded for looking a class above any other midfield combo we've had this year. And the successful Dagg/BFA combo is retained.
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@Stargazer said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Apparently, the reason for Todd starting ahead of Ardie is that he (Ardie) needs a breather.
Hansen explains the selection here:
Needs a rest after 1 full game, I'd take that with a grain of salt
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On Ardie, he was sucking in the big ones in the back end of last weeks test.
I do like Ardie as an impact player at this stage. He's very effective.
I hope the 10-12-13 axis will continue to develop and play well.
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@Stargazer said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Don't understand the shock at Todd getting the start. He's been massive on defence during Super Rugby and the selectors no doubt expect those defensive skills to be necessary against the Boks. He's more similar to Cane than Savea, and Savea is probably not the type of player they are looking for for this particular game (to start with). I'm more surprised about Pat T not being picked.
The shock for me in Todd starting is less on form, I think Ardie has been shit as an AB openside, more I thought the hype on Ardie would keep his spot. He got 8 & 9 out of 10 last week seemingly on the back of good leg drive when tackled & making some tackles none of which ticked the Wayne Smith "dominant" box. Tho' to be fair Pat T was the only guy actually making dominant tackles last week.
Interesting bit will be if Todd can emulate Cane in the offensive tackling aspect, Canes defence earlier this year was huge, not sold Todd has the heft to do that any more than Ardie.
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Have to say, I'm delighted for Matt Todd - a guy who's stuck around and stuck around when there was a lucrative alternative overseas.
And I'm delighted for the Canes supporting poster - I've forgotten exactly who - who gloatingly wrote that Matt Todd would never be an AB again. Suffer in your shit-filled jocks!
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@Chris-B. said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Have to say, I'm delighted for Matt Todd - a guy who's stuck around and stuck around when there was a lucrative alternative overseas.
And I'm delighted for the Canes supporting poster - I've forgotten exactly who - who gloatingly wrote that Matt Todd would never be an AB again. Suffer in your shit-filled jocks!
I don't think Canes4Life survived the awkward transition to the new software.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks:
I'm thinking Todd probably actually plays the linking game a bit better than Ardie too. Tire them out early using numbers and support then bring on "I'll just run it myself eh" Ardie.
I hope he's tall enough though
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks:
I'm thinking Todd probably actually plays the linking game a bit better than Ardie too. Tire them out early using numbers and support then bring on "I'll just run it myself eh" Ardie.
Issue for me is more that Cane was outstanding leading our defensive line, that very agressive rush D we have been using has been the key to our defence this year.
The linking & the odd good run are WAY back in importance, every AB now links, Owen Franks has probably done more link work than any of our 7's this year, while Retallick has made more oustanding breaks than Ardie even factoring in time on the field.
It was really noticable v the Argies with no Cane or Kaino we were getting up fast on D but beyond Pat T no AB was regularly monstering the Argies in the tackle.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@gollum Todd is very good at that aspect too though - he gets into trouble when on the back foot but his tackle strength belies his size I reckon.
Thats my hope, I haven't seen enough of him this year to know if he can bring that but if he delivers I think he's got a genuine shot of leap frogging Ardie given its the core skill we are looking for from our 7 at the mo'
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Springboks:
- Tendai Mtawarira (Cell C Sharks), 83 caps, 10 points
- Adriaan Strauss (captain, Vodacom Bulls) 62 caps, 30 points
- Vincent Koch (DHL Stormers/Steval Pumas), 6 caps, 0 points
- Eben Etzebeth (DHL Stormers) 52 caps, 10 points
- Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers) 16 caps, 15 points
- Francois Louw (Bath, England) 51 caps, 40 points
- Oupa Mohoje (Toyota Cheetahs) 13 caps, 0 points
- Warren Whiteley (Emirates Lions) 11 caps, 15 points
- Faf de Klerk (Emirates Lions) 7 caps, 0 points
- Morne Steyn (Stade Francais, France) 65 caps, 721 points
- Bryan Habana (vice-captain, Toulon, France) 122 caps, 330 points
- Damian de Allende (DHL Stormers), 19 caps, 10 points
- Juan de Jongh (DHL Stormers) 18 caps, 15 points
- Francois Hougaard (Worcester Warriors, England) 38 caps, 25 points
- Pat Lambie (Cell C Sharks) 52 caps, 137 points
Reserves:
16. Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) 2 caps, 0 points
17. Steven Kitshoff (Bordeaux, France) 6 caps, 0 points
18. Julian Redelinghuys (Emirates Lions), 7 caps, 0 points
19. Lood de Jager (Toyota Cheetahs 0, 24 caps, 20 points
20. Willem Alberts (Stade Francais, France) 40 caps, 35 points
21. Jaco Kriel (Emirates Lions) 6 caps, 0 points
22. Lionel Mapoe (Emirates Lions), 8 caps, 0 points
23. Willie le Roux (Canon Eagles, Japan) 38 caps, 45 points -
Yes I must say I have been underwhelmed by Ardie's starts. Not that I would say he has been bad but definitely nothing like the physicality that Cane was bring. But to be fair there is not an open side in the world who I would take over Cane at the moment.
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@DMX said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Yes I must say I have been underwhelmed by Ardie's starts. Not that I would say he has been bad but definitely nothing like the physicality that Cane was bring. But to be fair there is not an open side in the world who I would take over Cane at the moment.
I might be inclined to pick one that's not injured.
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