Biggest Tool in World Sport
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@mariner4life I didn't know he'd been that high!! I'll revert back to my original position then, he has the talent to get into the top ten, his antics make him interesting and create headlines for tennis, it's good to have different personalities (even if his churlishness doesn't appeal to me) in the game
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@canefan but are they good headlines? As I said, others are entertaining, he is not.
I don't believe anything about his behavior, particularly the recent incident, is good for tennis, and I don't think this falls into the 'any publicity is good publicity' camp either.
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@taniwharugby He's the bad guy. Some will like his attitude, many will tune in to see him get beat. Now all he needs is an arch nemesis
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@canefan but the way he played the other day, I could beat him
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@taniwharugby I'm sure he'd rise to beat you mate, just to prove a point
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@taniwharugby said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@canefan but the way he played the other day, I could beat him
I remember seeing Goran Ivanisevic in Melbourne (another bad boy until his final redemption at Wimbledon). The guy was very gifted but some days he couldn't give a shit. At some point in the match he decided he wasn't going to serve offspeed second serves anymore. So he proceeded to fire down all full speed serves and promptly lost the match. He tanked it but I don't recall him attracting the vitriol Nick has. Once again, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending him, but sometimes the troubled ones are more interesting than the vanilla ones
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@SammyC said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@canefan said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@taniwharugby said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@MajorRage was that at me?
So why does he get sponsors? Because fans buy the shit he is sponsored to wear!
His manager or someone needs to smack him around the ears and tell him to sort his shit out...or one of his sponsors pull sponsorship would be ideal.
Nick is a bit like Andre Agassi back in his early years. A long time before he realised his potential Agassi was the bad boy on tour, more known for his big hair fluoro tops and shoes and his denim tennis shorts and his brash behaviour. I didn't care that he wasn't ranked in the top 10 but I could have killed to have got my hands on his Nike gears at the time
He's nothing like Andre.
Agassi was cool as fuck, and every young player wanted to be him. I had no interest in learning a 1 handed backhand and was supremely jealous of anyone that had connections in the USA and managed to obtain his outfits.
Will there ever be another tennis shoe as cool as the AIr Tech Challegnge?
I don't think Kyrgious has anywhere near the popularity
Yeah, I remember that we always saw tennis as a rich kids' sport and pretty boring. Then Agassi turned up and we all wanted to watch him play.
Games like these, when he was 18 years old v Connors, for example. I mean, who else had long hair and played top tennis in jeans shorts?
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I wondered what all the fuss was about until I saw some footage. I'd be furious if I paid money to watch that.
Hilariously he's been fined about half his appearance fee. Like he gives a shit.
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@MajorRage said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@booboo So what you are saying is that now everytime anybody is the world acts like a cock, we have to step back, give them a hug and make sure they aren't depressed?
Disagree, behaviour of not returning serve, abusing crowd, not trying and continually being a piston wristed gibbon, is the behaviour of a piston wristed gibbon.
If I followed your way, i'd have to ask 3 bosses, about 400 colleagues over the years, at least 25 guys in the pub, a whole shit load of chicks the world over, just about every single taxi driver, bus driver & plenty of other people if they are ok.
His behaviour is clearly unacceptable and he should be criticised for it. That doesn't mean you can't also feel sorry for him in some respects (or not if you don't want to).
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@booboo said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
Further to Infidel's article I'm wondering if he is wired correctly, and we SHOULD be asking if he is ok in a Beyond Blue kind of sense.
We're judging him on expected standards of a normal sane human being. I do wonder if he is though and therefore if telling him to "stop being a tool" is really the right approach.
I know someone who went to school with him. If his personality and attitude are symptomatic of depression, he's been that way all through high school.
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I read someone's armchair psychoanalysis of the guy which made good sense. Kyrgios is scared to work hard. If he works hard and loses, then he has to face the fact that maybe he just isn't all that good. So he doesn't work hard. He just shows flashes. Enough to get people to say, if he really tried he could be #1 in the world. Kyrgios can tell himself that too. I could be the best but I don't want too be. Lest he tries hard and finds out he just isn't good enough.
Of course, that could all be bullshit.
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Nick Kyrgios suspended until mid-January by ATP over Shanghai conduct
The Australian rushed through his 6-3, 6-1 loss to Zverev last Wednesday without putting much effort behind his serves or groundstrokes, admitting afterwards that he “took the easy way out”. During the match, the 21-year-old walked towards his chair after floating a serve across the net without even waiting for Zverev to return it. He was fined $16,500 on Thursday but has now been fined a further $25,000 in addition to the suspension.
Nick Kyrgios suspended until mid-January by ATP over Shanghai conduct
The ATP has suspended Nick Kyrgios until 15 January following his conduct during the second-round match defeat by Mischa Zverev at the Shanghai Masters
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@MajorRage said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@booboo So what you are saying is that now everytime anybody is the world acts like a cock, we have to step back, give them a hug and make sure they aren't depressed?
Disagree, behaviour of not returning serve, abusing crowd, not trying and continually being a piston wristed gibbon, is the behaviour of a piston wristed gibbon.
If I followed your way, i'd have to ask 3 bosses, about 400 colleagues over the years, at least 25 guys in the pub, a whole shit load of chicks the world over, just about every single taxi driver, bus driver & plenty of other people if they are ok.
Actually MR I'm convinced he's bonkers. Like medically certifiably bonkers. He needs to be on medication bonkers.
IMO he needs help, not derision.
Having said that tennis will not be the poorer without him, nor vice versa.
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Kyrgios is the one who doesn't like lesser players making comments about him, well then....
Australian Open 2017: Nick Kyrgios booed as John McEnroe says he is a black eye to the sport
Nick Kyrgios was booed off court after a controversial showing that prompted tennis legend John McEnroe to describe the Australian's performance as a black eye to the sport.
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@Donsteppa said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
Kyrgios is the one who doesn't like lesser players making comments about him, well then....
Nick Kyrgios was booed off court after a controversial showing that prompted tennis legend John McEnroe to describe the Australian's performance as a black eye to the sport.
He's simply mentally weak. Imbued with all the talent in the world and the fortitude of wet lettuce.
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Off topic, but I think of a wet lettuce as being freshly washed and crisp.
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I like the kid
I never did, but then I started to read some things and quotes from him and tried to look at him differently - tried to question what the overwhelming media and public opinion fit with my thoughts and values.
I admire honesty in people and this fella is honest. He doesn't like his job that much at times, me neither!
he's earnt all he has from being fucken good at a particular job that comes relatively easy for him and he's defo put some effort and time into being a top 20 player in the world. An incredible achievement in anyone's book
I don't subscribe to sportspeople being better or worse than me or anyone just because they're on the tele or earning millions.
I definitely don't subscribe to "if I was him" delusions because that is totally unrealistic, futile and pretty arrogant - you're not, you're at best someone with an opinion about someone you've never met.
I couldn't give a fuck how people live their lives until it directly affects me and my kin.
But Nick, like John Daly get my admiration for being honest, good at something and being brave enough to seemingly understand that you can't please all the people all the time
I got a mate who played Big Bash, Champions League IPL, best mates with Davey Warner, now retired and pretty clearly hates playing the game. Just a job he was good at and the peripheral benefits made it worth playing
No, I'm not trying to be contrary or argumentative, I just see a pro sportsman brave and secure in himself (perhaps naive) enough to speak his mind.
As to why he seems to give up - I couldn't give a fuck how he lives his life - but sure as hell impressed that despite all this and the public hating he still pulls in millions, beats Federer and has a life full of choices, 'cos that's what success in life really is - what choices you have, not whether people you don't know approve
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@Siam said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
No, I'm not trying to be contrary or argumentative, I just see a pro sportsman brave (perhaps naive) enough to speak his mind.
I don't know what brave has to do with it. He plays in a sport that doesn't sanction people for being immature fuckwads and hasn't for more than 40 years.
