• Categories
Collapse

The Silver Fern

Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown & Dublin Duel

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Rugby Matches
allblacksireland
943 Posts 87 Posters 212.6k Views
Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown & Dublin Duel
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • D Offline
    D Offline
    dejo
    wrote on last edited by dejo
    #440

    Wow. Ireland are bringing all the pain from 2013, and bringing it from on deep. Not sure we have the brains, talent, or bench to come back from here.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • ? Offline
    ? Offline
    A Former User
    replied to Chris B. on last edited by
    #441

    So Eddie Jones was right - we do have weaknesses.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • DonsteppaD Offline
    DonsteppaD Offline
    Donsteppa
    replied to Chris B. on last edited by
    #442

    @Chris-B. said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:

    @ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:

    I guarantee we will win.

    Not sure we've got the cavalry on the bench this time.

    We're getting outplayed pretty badly and I'm not sure we've got many who can come on and turn that around.

    I noted Marshy's comment in the build-up about how you don't need to be tall in the lineout these days and I thought, "Really? I wonder why it is that Retallick and Whitelock are both a lot more than 2 metres tall."

    Ryan Crotty to the resc... oh.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • Billy TellB Offline
    Billy TellB Offline
    Billy Tell
    wrote on last edited by
    #443

    Schmidt totally outcoaching Hansen. They are dominating the lineout, using the maul, using the choke tackle (not exactly novel tactics), kicking well - into touch. Picking a 6 at lock has turned out to be a shocker from Steve.

    We can turn around 17 points but we need to sharpen up rapidly.

    Sickening.

    SammyCS taniwharugbyT 2 Replies Last reply
    1
  • LagerLoutL Offline
    LagerLoutL Offline
    LagerLout
    wrote on last edited by
    #444

    Ireland look great but we're helping them big time at the moment. No comment on some of the refs early decisions in the game. Our backrow is a complete joke at the moment, lineouts a mess. I made a comment that we could struggle against a team that did the basics right, and I'm afraid with this lock pairing we are.

    1 Reply Last reply
    2
  • A Offline
    A Offline
    akan004
    wrote on last edited by
    #445

    We need to attack them around the ruck more. I can't remember the last time an All black team actually did that, certainly they haven't this year. We need to score first otherwise the game is gone.

    1 Reply Last reply
    1
  • D Offline
    D Offline
    dingo
    wrote on last edited by dingo
    #446

    A few strategic subs would help. The Irish Defensive line can fan out because we aren't trying to punch through the ruck/tackle area with pick 'n gos. Big Charlie would help and so would A Savea with his leg drive/not falling over thing.

    Fair play to Ireland though - they are bringing it. Be interesting to see if they go into their shells a bit and try to sit on the lead

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • SammyCS Offline
    SammyCS Offline
    SammyC
    replied to Billy Tell on last edited by
    #447

    @Billy-Tell said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:

    Schmidt totally outcoaching Hansen. They are dominating the lineout, using the maul, using the choke tackle (not exactly novel tactics), kicking well - into touch. Picking a 6 at lock has turned out to be a shocker from Steve.

    We can turn around 17 points but we need to sharpen up rapidly.

    Sickening.

    Both our locks are basically lose forwards, tuipolotu just as ineffective as Kaino
    Pretty easy to see why Romano is continually picked ahead of him

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • RapidoR Offline
    RapidoR Offline
    Rapido
    wrote on last edited by
    #448

    Biggest winner from an NZ perspective from this half is big Dom Bird.

    1 Reply Last reply
    1
  • MokeyM Offline
    MokeyM Offline
    Mokey
    wrote on last edited by
    #449

    Too many players offering up rubbish today. Of all the games to be embarrassing, a showcase game against a team who have never beaten us.

    1 Reply Last reply
    1
  • taniwharugbyT Offline
    taniwharugbyT Offline
    taniwharugby
    replied to Billy Tell on last edited by
    #450

    @Billy-Tell dont thnk he has been out coached...we are just not playing well

    Think we will see Scott make his debut pretty promptly if not straight from half time.

    TJ shouldnt be far away either.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • chimoausC Offline
    chimoausC Offline
    chimoaus
    wrote on last edited by
    #451

    We have turned over way too much possession with lineout loses, mauls, in touch, penalties and a very poor kicking game. No way you can win when you give away so much possession.

    1 Reply Last reply
    1
  • boobooB Offline
    boobooB Offline
    booboo
    wrote on last edited by
    #452

    Lineout needs some work ...

    Ireland playing well. Not giving away possession.

    We are though.

    Not sure of the fix apart from perhaps Barrett to try to fix the lineout.

    I'm almost resigned to this one now.

    But being a NZer you only write the ABs off when we're 3 tries down with 30s left ...

    ACT CrusaderA 1 Reply Last reply
    1
  • ACT CrusaderA Offline
    ACT CrusaderA Offline
    ACT Crusader
    wrote on last edited by
    #453

    I don't mind the Kaino at lock option, but paired with a lock who is rarely ever used as a lineout option for the ABs is not good.

    Kaino is playing poorly though around the track. As is Read.

    It would be nice if we could just build some pressure with ball in hand rather than just going wide from the get go.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • C Offline
    C Offline
    Crash
    wrote on last edited by Crash
    #454

    And hard to win when tackling is also optional

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • No QuarterN Offline
    No QuarterN Offline
    No Quarter
    wrote on last edited by
    #455

    I guess playing Sam and BBBR 80 minutes every week without developing a backup lock that can start a test has hurt us a bit here. We had to go for our impact lock and a loosie and they've both struggled. Our lineout has cost us good ball and possesion at crucial moments.

    DonsteppaD 1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • taniwharugbyT Offline
    taniwharugbyT Offline
    taniwharugby
    wrote on last edited by
    #456

    we are losing the battle at lineout time, at the breakdown, territory and in the air...and the most important one, on the scoreboard.

    Irish fully deserving of thier lead, in fact they probably deserved to be beyond 3 scores.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • chimoausC Offline
    chimoausC Offline
    chimoaus
    wrote on last edited by
    #457

    At least we didn't play this badly vs Australia. For some reason I don't feel that bad losing to Ireland who to be fair have outplayed us easily.

    A 1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • RapidoR Offline
    RapidoR Offline
    Rapido
    wrote on last edited by
    #458

    Halftime stats:

    We've only lost 3 of our own lineouts? Seemed more.

    Possession. Ire 63% to NZ 37%

    Turnovers 7 to 1.

    Only territory relatively even.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • StargazerS Offline
    StargazerS Offline
    Stargazer
    wrote on last edited by
    #459

    They should have replaced Retallick and Whitelock, with Barrett and Bird.
    Kaino should have started at 6; Todd at 7.
    TJ should have started at 9, ALB at 13.
    They should have replaced Julian with Naholo, not Dagg.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0

Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown & Dublin Duel
Rugby Matches
allblacksireland
  • Login

  • Don't have an account? Register

  • Login or register to search.
  • First post
    Last post
0
  • Categories
  • Login

  • Don't have an account? Register

  • Login or register to search.