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@canefan said in US Politics:
There is such a thing as fake news and here is the primary source. Take it away Don Don
And the supporters lap that shit up like it really happened
He didn't say a large terror attack had happened in Sweden though.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
There is such a thing as fake news and here is the primary source. Take it away Don Don
And the supporters lap that shit up like it really happened
He didn't say a large terror attack had happened in Sweden though.
Sweden is screwed, what he said was quite correct.Did u watch the clip? He said "You look at what happened last night in Sweden ". I thought what he was trying to say was pretty clear, that an incident involving immigrants happened in Sweden yesterday
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
There is such a thing as fake news and here is the primary source. Take it away Don Don
And the supporters lap that shit up like it really happened
He didn't say a large terror attack had happened in Sweden though.
Sweden is screwed, what he said was quite correct.Did u watch the clip? He said "You look at what happened last night in Sweden ". I thought what he was trying to say was pretty clear, that an incident involving immigrants happened in Sweden yesterday
Maybe something did happen with migrants last night? One thing for sure you cannot trust the Swedish govt and police to report serious incidents with migrants.
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I find the Swedish situation quite fascinating, they are in effect a petri dish for how mass Islamic immigration works out. The only problem being other countries are not waiting to see how the petri dish experiment finishes.
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I think Wallaces attack on Trump is fair
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Kevin Williamson makes some good points about the quality of the press, the Presidents reaction and the simplistic white hat/black hat bullshit that accompanies it:
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
I find the Swedish situation quite fascinating, they are in effect a petri dish for how mass Islamic immigration works out. The only problem being other countries are not waiting to see how the petri dish experiment finishes.
Which is difficult, because its not a short experiment. You really need a generation to see how its going to bed in properly.
A friend of mine who is Swedish by birth, lived out here for part of his upbringing. Upon his return to Sweden worked on settlement of immigrants coming into the nation. I asked him his thoughts on a video that was posted up some time ago about Sweden being the "rape capital of Europe" among other things to blame on immigrants, and this was his take on the video and the topics addressed:
How does one analyse this... If I were to start with the politics. It is true that calling a spade a spade has been nigh on impossible in Swedish politics. No-one outside of the Sweden Democrats want to fuel their fire. The result: The Sweden Democrats are now the third largest party.
For the same reason nobody wanted to acknowledge that there was a limit to the number of asylum seekers we could accept per year until all of a sudden we had almost 160,000 last year and it became a fact. Again the Sweden Democrats grow because the other politicsl parties have had to finally do something (albeit less radical) that the Sweden Democrats have said all along.
Sweden's resource problem is a pile of shit. We DO have a massive housing shortage due to incredibly complex building regulations but Sweden's work force is decreasing by 65,000 persons per year due to pensions and lower birth rates so we actually need to import labour.
This massive wave of immigrants also cost the Swedish tax payer billions. But where did the money go? To wages for the thousands of people who have gotten jobs taking care of immigrants and asylum seekers. Whereas the rest if Europe is stagnating Sweden's GDP is growing with leaps and bounds. Are there loads of arses among the asylum seekers? Yep. Are there doctors, engineers and future nobel prize winners? Yep. Basically people in other words.
Do I think that shaking hands and respecting equality among the sexes is more important than religious and cultural beliefs? Hell yeah. I'm looking forward to the case where the immigrant's plea of religious and ethnic discrimination is put up against gender discrimination.
Oh... And the rape thing? Bullshit. Sexual harrasment by foreign male youth against young girls appears to be all too true though.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
I find the Swedish situation quite fascinating, they are in effect a petri dish for how mass Islamic immigration works out. The only problem being other countries are not waiting to see how the petri dish experiment finishes.
Which is difficult, because its not a short experiment. You really need a generation to see how its going to bed in properly.
A friend of mine who is Swedish by birth, lived out here for part of his upbringing. Upon his return to Sweden worked on settlement of immigrants coming into the nation. I asked him his thoughts on a video that was posted up some time ago about Sweden being the "rape capital of Europe" among other things to blame on immigrants, and this was his take on the video and the topics addressed:
How does one analyse this... If I were to start with the politics. It is true that calling a spade a spade has been nigh on impossible in Swedish politics. No-one outside of the Sweden Democrats want to fuel their fire. The result: The Sweden Democrats are now the third largest party.
For the same reason nobody wanted to acknowledge that there was a limit to the number of asylum seekers we could accept per year until all of a sudden we had almost 160,000 last year and it became a fact. Again the Sweden Democrats grow because the other politicsl parties have had to finally do something (albeit less radical) that the Sweden Democrats have said all along.
Sweden's resource problem is a pile of shit. We DO have a massive housing shortage due to incredibly complex building regulations but Sweden's work force is decreasing by 65,000 persons per year due to pensions and lower birth rates so we actually need to import labour.
This massive wave of immigrants also cost the Swedish tax payer billions. But where did the money go? To wages for the thousands of people who have gotten jobs taking care of immigrants and asylum seekers. Whereas the rest if Europe is stagnating Sweden's GDP is growing with leaps and bounds. Are there loads of arses among the asylum seekers? Yep. Are there doctors, engineers and future nobel prize winners? Yep. Basically people in other words.
Do I think that shaking hands and respecting equality among the sexes is more important than religious and cultural beliefs? Hell yeah. I'm looking forward to the case where the immigrant's plea of religious and ethnic discrimination is put up against gender discrimination.
Oh... And the rape thing? Bullshit. Sexual harrasment by foreign male youth against young girls appears to be all too true though.
Also interesting is that although Sweden is growing and growing the number of murders remain steady around 90 since the 90s.Interesting. I do think with completely uncontrolled migration from the middle east though, you end up with a very bad proportion of Doctors to unskilled labourers though.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
"Which is difficult, because its not a short experiment. You really need a generation to see how its going to bed in properly."So if it doesn't work - one generation later - oh well tough shit for Sweden?
The Conservative magazine Spectator has an interesting take on Trump's remark.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/trump-right-swedens-refugee-policy-led-problems-never-thought-possible/ -
@Frank said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
"Which is difficult, because its not a short experiment. You really need a generation to see how its going to bed in properly."So if it doesn't work - one generation later - oh well tough shit for Sweden?
Depends what you mean by "doesn't work".
The systems and governments in place must try to anticipate issues and make course corrections. If that means a nation decides its reached its limit on immigration, then they have to see that coming and try to shift the objectives of their policy.
How that works when you have a war on your doorstep must be a real mindfuck for those nations closer to Syria. But closing your borders has shown limited success so far.
Its worth noting that places like the US already have pretty good vetting systems e.g. this guy lays down a few of the steps they take:
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@NTA said in US Politics:
Its worth noting that places like the US already have pretty good vetting systems e.g. this guy lays down a few of the steps they take:
And this is the worry. Trump has used ignorance of the existing process combined with fear to get a heap of voters onside. As a political tactic it works and is fairly obvious. Now he has to continue the story and exaggerate the situation to back up his actions and look good.
He will get a re-drafted EO in place that is still totally unnecessary and, as a by product, weaken his public's faith in the courts to bolster their faith in him.
He is the only 'winner' out of all of this. The borders are not made any safer but the perception is that they are. Real refugees will find it more difficult to get to safety.
There is nothing left or right wing about this, it is one man using rhetoric and fear for his own purposes. Let's hope it doesn't bolster his ego further to continue down the same path. -
There is also the issue that once he gets his new EO in place & there is anything that can be painted as Islamic terror in the US - another Bowling Green Masacre, a repeat of the horrors in Sweden etc, he will go "see! if only they'd let me do extreme vetting!". And people will go "maybe its time to skip the courts".
Lets face it there will be a terror attack in the US, too many guns, too many people for there not to be.
And it 100% will be spun to increase his powers or demonise the courts.
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A Spinoff contributor has written about a talk 'appearance' in Melbourne and Auckland by Julian Assange. http://thespinoff.co.nz/society/20-02-2017/julian-assange-live-and-indirect-on-russia-trump-factual-lies-and-emotional-truths/
Apart from Assange spouting a load of pseudo-intellectual claptrap to justify himself he did say say this, which IMO is a fair assessment.
Assange also offered a variation on the “truthiness” theory. “Donald Trump lies all the time. All the time. But it’s a particular kind of lie. He lies about facts. Constantly, he lies about fact. But does he emotionally lie? That’s a different question. I think Donald Trump’s lack of an emotional filter means that he’s perceived as being emotionally honest, and an emotional honesty, people think or feel, is more important than factual honesty.” Clinton, by contrast, “was much more honest on the facts, but emotionally I think she was considerably more dishonest.”
The funny thing is that Assange himself seems to lack both factual and emotional truthiness.
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