Woo
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Ok ... accupuncture ...
... Doc, who is reportedly quite old school (as suggested by his practice partner one day when I had to see him instead) is right into accupuncture.
Has got me to be stuck with needles for a couple of weeks (disc, back, nerve issue).
Frankly .... it's doing absolutely nothing. Just as expected.
Am quite astonished though that a modern trained medical doctor is into accupuncture.
Physios do it a lot, seems to work for them. Maybe your guy is doing it wrong?
Plenty of rugby physios use it.
I've had one course of it at a time when I used to get chronic hayfever and the drugs were just making me drowsy all the time. Was suggested by a GP as they had seen success in the past.
Therapy involved a lot of needles around the sinus area and a few in the arms and it actually did have an effect.
I'm loath to dismiss it entirely as targeting nerves and the effects on the brain are not fully understood by 'modern medicine' anyway. Neurologists are still researching and finding out all sorts of stuff so it isn't as if the method is disproven, it is just unproven.Thing is with a lot of this stuff is that it doesn't always work and doesn't work on all people, which is the threshold for 'proof'. Sometimes there is no harm in trying and if it works for you, then great.If it doesn't then certainly don't keep persisting or trying to sell it to others or think it is the first and only port of call.
That's close to where I'm sitting. If it does no harm ...
But, if after how many thousands of years you can't
a. prove if it works
b. have no idea how it might work
then count me as pretty skeptical.As long as it is a part of a course of treatment, as opposed to the entire treatment
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I get accupuncture once a month for a bad back and chronic calf problems from many years of long distance running.
I'm pretty sceptical about it generally. I don't think it's doing anything to help the healing process. I feel pretty good directly afterwards but the pain quickly returns over the next day or so.
But go along cos I enjoy the relaxing nature of it, I find it very pleasant
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I sent my son to a hypnotherapist....I am skeptical, but the reaction and change in my son following it was real.
I had been having issues with my neck and went to see someone recently, which was a more alternative treatment, was great, felt awesome after, but couple of days, was back to where I was before I went in, so went to my chiropractor and sorted now.
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@taniwharugby said in Woo:
I sent my son to a hypnotherapist....I am skeptical, but the reaction and change in my son following it was real.
I had been having issues with my neck and went to see someone recently, which was a more alternative treatment, was great, felt awesome after, but couple of days, was back to where I was before I went in, so went to my chiropractor and sorted now.
We use hypno in some areas of our work (not me, some qualified!!), mainly for muscle/joint pain caused by repetitive behaviour. When it works it can work great, but the subject has to be receptive. Generally if the person says it isn't going to work, it isn't going to work
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After trying pretty much everything else I went to an acupuncturist (a Chinese British consultant immunologist in Harley St) for back pain. Unfortunately it didn't help. But the thing is she had asked about other issues during the consultation and said that as I had hay fever they'd have to treat that at the same time. The hay fever I'd has since I was a kid cleared up and so far has stayed away.
It's still bullshit though.
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@antipodean said in Woo:
@canefan dry needling works to activate and release muscles.
That lines up with my experience also. With it being used to stimulate blood flow and tissue etc. Often pretty deep in the muscle where massage isn't as effective.
No personal experience around use of needles to assist with addiction or other health conditions. Always a bit dubious when one type of treatment can apparently treat nearly any condition known to humankind!!
But I could easily be in the placebo camp I guess
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@Paekakboyz said in Woo:
lways a bit dubious when one type of treatment can apparently treat nearly any condition known to humankind!!
True. The miracle cure, as if it's marijuana!
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@taniwharugby said in Woo:
I sent my son to a hypnotherapist....I am skeptical, but the reaction and change in my son following it was real.
I had been having issues with my neck and went to see someone recently, which was a more alternative treatment, was great, felt awesome after, but couple of days, was back to where I was before I went in, so went to my chiropractor and sorted now.
Weeelll ... chiropractic and osteopathy ...
... a degree of woo in those two as well.
Probably good for lower back pain though
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@Crucial Facial eczema?
That's caused by fungal spores that the sheep ingest and then damages their livers. Basically like swallowing poison, so I'd be pretty sceptical about the coloured wool unless it's somehow magically repairing damaged livers.
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@antipodean said in Woo:
@canefan dry needling works to activate and release muscles.
Fuck yeah. Had it done a couple of times to my trapezius and felt like I was getting massage x 100.
As for chiro - I've been seeing someone who is a chiropractor/kinesiologist and while some of it is quackery, most of the nerve/muscle release work she does is very effective on the rugby injuries I pick up that won't go away.
Plus she's hot. So totally hot.
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I've never been to a chiropractor but from what I understand if they aren't giving you exercises to help alleviate your issue and strengthen the weakness they are just getting you into a cycle of returning when your issue flares up again.
The ex had really sore feet when she was pregnant, wouldn't go to a doctor and instead went to an acupuncturist. He put a needle into a nerve or something and caused her quite a bit of pain for a long time and made her even more irritating to be around.
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@antipodean said in Woo:
@canefan dry needling works to activate and release muscles.
Fuck yeah. Had it done a couple of times to my trapezius and felt like I was getting massage x 100.
As for chiro - I've been seeing someone who is a chiropractor/kinesiologist and while some of it is quackery, most of the nerve/muscle release work she does is very effective on the rugby injuries I pick up that won't go away.
Plus she's hot. So totally hot.
Chiros have lots of funny ideas and pseudoscience. Plus, unlike physios, there seems to be no rehab just a desire to lock you into regular maintenance visits
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@Paekakboyz I never did my rehab work solely so I would have to keep going back to my physio.
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@antipodean said in Woo:
@Paekakboyz I never did my rehab work solely so I would have to keep going back to my physio.
She must be hawt
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Chiros have lots of funny ideas and pseudoscience. Plus, unlike physios, there seems to be no rehab just a desire to lock you into regular maintenance visits
I'm with @antipodean on this - hawt chiro = visits. Suck it up, health fund.
Plus they definitely had a plan for fixing me and it didn't take more than 3 or 4 visits even for the worst stuff.
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@Crucial Facial eczema?
That's caused by fungal spores that the sheep ingest and then damages their livers. Basically like swallowing poison, so I'd be pretty sceptical about the coloured wool unless it's somehow magically repairing damaged livers.
Yeah, I know what Facial eczema is and what causes it. Also know that when you get certain weather patterns that help the spore growth it is a bitch of a thing to have affect your stock.
As I said. I have no idea whether the therapy thing was timing coincidence or how anyone can logically thing out would work but out of shear desperation it was used and the results were telling and timely. In this case it can't be a placebo effect either.Just to reiterate what I was trying to say. There are many things dismissed as quackery because we don't understand them. Scientists have either not studied them deeply/had funding/ had useable results for data etc. There are also some things which have been studied deeply and disproven. Some therapies work much better on some people than others as well.
Given that we only just starting to understand some of the intricacies around genetics and especially neuro-science I would be loath to dismiss out of hand anything that directly affects the nervous system (e.g. acupuncture). Just because we don't understand how it works to a degree of prescription doesn't mean it doesn't work for some people. -
@Crucial Facial eczema?
That's caused by fungal spores that the sheep ingest and then damages their livers. Basically like swallowing poison, so I'd be pretty sceptical about the coloured wool unless it's somehow magically repairing damaged livers.
Yeah, I know what Facial eczema is and what causes it. Also know that when you get certain weather patterns that help the spore growth it is a bitch of a thing to have affect your stock.
As I said. I have no idea whether the therapy thing was timing coincidence or how anyone can logically thing out would work but out of shear desperation it was used and the results were telling and timely. In this case it can't be a placebo effect either.Just to reiterate what I was trying to say. There are many things dismissed as quackery because we don't understand them. Scientists have either not studied them deeply/had funding/ had useable results for data etc. There are also some things which have been studied deeply and disproven. Some therapies work much better on some people than others as well.
Given that we only just starting to understand some of the intricacies around genetics and especially neuro-science I would be loath to dismiss out of hand anything that directly affects the nervous system (e.g. acupuncture). Just because we don't understand how it works to a degree of prescription doesn't mean it doesn't work for some people.My issue with the people who peddle woo is the way they present it in a way that's not much different to conspiracy theory loons. Big pharma is demonised for a start as is western science "they are just trying to make money off you etc " . If you have a genuine alternative treatment that's great, do peer reviewed clinical trials and lets how it or if it works either by itself or with conventional treatments. Trouble is too often the people peddling alternative remedies don't do themselves any favours at all with their behaviour.
Obviously this does not apply to homeopathy, it's complete and utter nonsense ad doesn't deserve to be treated with anything but contempt.
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Ok ... accupuncture ...
... Doc, who is reportedly quite old school (as suggested by his practice partner one day when I had to see him instead) is right into accupuncture.
Has got me to be stuck with needles for a couple of weeks (disc, back, nerve issue).
Frankly .... it's doing absolutely nothing. Just as expected.
Am quite astonished though that a modern trained medical doctor is into accupuncture.
Physios do it a lot, seems to work for them. Maybe your guy is doing it wrong?
Plenty of rugby physios use it.
I've had one course of it at a time when I used to get chronic hayfever and the drugs were just making me drowsy all the time. Was suggested by a GP as they had seen success in the past.
Therapy involved a lot of needles around the sinus area and a few in the arms and it actually did have an effect.
I'm loath to dismiss it entirely as targeting nerves and the effects on the brain are not fully understood by 'modern medicine' anyway. Neurologists are still researching and finding out all sorts of stuff so it isn't as if the method is disproven, it is just unproven.Thing is with a lot of this stuff is that it doesn't always work and doesn't work on all people, which is the threshold for 'proof'. Sometimes there is no harm in trying and if it works for you, then great.If it doesn't then certainly don't keep persisting or trying to sell it to others or think it is the first and only port of call.
That isn't how clinical trials work. A treatment is compared with a placebo (generally in a randomised trial), and a difference in outcome between the placebo and treatment groups is examined using statistical tests. The treatment does not have to show benefits for all patients. It has to be more likely to work (produce a better outcome) than the placebo. This includes analysis of subgroups that may respond differently to the treatment.