Vegas Shooting
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Sure, tough gun laws.
Maybe they don't have a 2nd Amendment in their Constitution. The Revolutionary War and Civil War are a part of American culture in a way that perhaps not precisely the same in Japan. I'll have to research Japan's "Frontier Thesis" when I get the chance.
One could also mention Japan's immigration and citizenship policy, but the government doesn't seem to like publicizing it. Japan is a very modern, tolerant, progressive nation, so I'd be very surprised if Japan doesn't have the world's most tolerant & progressive immigration policies and open borders.
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It's been 13 days, and they still can't straighten-out elementary facts.
Las Vegas police AGAIN change timeline of mass shooting
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation-updates/index.html
Sherriff:
“In the public space, the word ‘incompetence’ has been brought forward,” he said. “And I am absolutely offended with that characterization.”
Offended, certainly. Maybe 'cos it's more than a little bit accurate.
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Here are some "facts" that should be getting reported, and strangely aren't.
There are official reports of armed attackers -- "Active Shooter" -- reported at the Belaggio, Tropicana, and New York New York casinos in addition to Mandalay Bay. You can hear them on the police radio; in the transcriptions of those police calls, and in the police report. All casinos went into lockdown. A SWAT team was sent to NYNY. The police went to secure the perimeter at the Luxor.
Now, somebody (the shooter) might have called in all those false alarms before the real shooting started to cause a distraction and keep police preoccupied. Or, perhaps as likely, calls were coming in from all those casinos when people heard machine gun fire outside and the casinos went into lockdown and reported shootings to police. That can't be discounted. What we can know for certain is there was a lot of confusion.
Two things that complicate matters for the armchair sleuths and are really fueling a cottage industry of conspiracy theories:
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An anonymous tipster posted a message to 4Chan on Sept 10th that warned against an attack on a crowd in Las Vegas the following day (Sept 11 anniversary), and that if not then, sometime shortly thereafter and definitely Vegas.
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James Murren, the CEO of MGM (owner of Mandalay Bay) sold 85% of his shares, which is probably complete coincidence, but ... that's a remarkable amount of shares for any CEO of a major corporation to be dumping.
Anyway, this security "hero" guy -- Jesus Campos -- who is suddenly bailing out on every tv interview he agreed to give --looks like he's not registered as a security officer in the state of Nevada, and if these youtubers are to be believed Mandalay Bay security is (supposedly) leaking that nobody there knows the guy -- he's a ghost - there's no actual information about this guy on file.
Plenty of speculation that Campos is the real shooter -- and killed the accused Stephen "The Patsy" Paddock 'cos, well, dead men tell no tales.
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another shooting, this time at a church in Texas, reports are 27 dead
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/98585447/live-deadly-shooting-at-texas-church
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@taniwharugby I'm sure there will be extra thoughts and prayers for this.
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And it's a white guy!
Cue gun control/white supremacy/evil republican talk
Cue gleeful leftist celebration and outrage over the obvious racism of not calling this a terrorist attack just because he is white. (official definitions of 'terrorist' are clearly racist so should be ignored...)Its bloody horrific, apparently the population of the town is only about 1,000 people, from what the reports say everyone in the church service was either killed or wounded. How on earth does a small town come back from something like that?
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@Rembrandt if he was a local, surely there would have been multiple signs that people failed to see or ignored?
Or will he be one of those nice neighbours who kept to himself but was always polite??
Just tragic all round though.
Its a bit mental really:
A neighbour shot at by the gunman reportedly returned fire, striking him before he fled in a vehicle.
Reporter Erica Hernandez described the scene when she arrived at the church after the shooting.
Seen by neighbours, the gunman had first opened fire from outside the church, then went inside the church, she said.
"They said he may have dropped anywhere from three to eight [ammunition] clips as he was firing.
"He had a lot of ammo on him, he had a mask and he was in full gear," she said.
Neighbours outside the church ran for cover, with the gunman firing toward people's homes, Hernandez told television station KSAT.
"At that point another neighbour that lived a little further down returned fire toward him, and that's when they believe they hit him, and then he got back into his vehicle and left the scene," she said.
Some of the neighbours followed the gunman unil he reportedly crashed his vehicle, Hernandez told KSAT. -
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@taniwharugby said in Vegas Shooting:
@Rembrandt if he was a local, surely there would have been multiple signs that people failed to see or ignored?
Or will he be one of those nice neighbours who kept to himself but was always polite??
Just tragic all round though.
Its a bit mental really:
A neighbour shot at by the gunman reportedly returned fire, striking him before he fled in a vehicle.
Reporter Erica Hernandez described the scene when she arrived at the church after the shooting.
Seen by neighbours, the gunman had first opened fire from outside the church, then went inside the church, she said.
"They said he may have dropped anywhere from three to eight [ammunition] clips as he was firing.
"He had a lot of ammo on him, he had a mask and he was in full gear," she said.
Neighbours outside the church ran for cover, with the gunman firing toward people's homes, Hernandez told television station KSAT.
"At that point another neighbour that lived a little further down returned fire toward him, and that's when they believe they hit him, and then he got back into his vehicle and left the scene," she said.
Some of the neighbours followed the gunman unil he reportedly crashed his vehicle, Hernandez told KSAT.They are fucking crazy. It's like the OK corral
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Vegas Shooting:
This is the kind of mentality the US is dealing with. How this women has a TV show is amazing.
It helps that she shows her tits a lot.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Vegas Shooting:
This is the kind of mentality the US is dealing with. How this women has a TV show is amazing.
For the longest time I thought her and Chelsea Manning were the same person. Same first name and both insufferable fluffybunnies, easy mistake to make I suppose.
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So he had been court martialled and dishonourably discharged from the military which means him purchasing a gun was illegal.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/23192/texas-church-shooter-identified-frank-camp
So much for that gun control. Will be interesting to see how it was purchased, if it was through friend or family I wonder what they could be prosecuted with. I'd be interested in specific ideas for workable gun control that could stop these atrocities, I have literally no idea.
I find these discussions interesting when people have to try and defend their views, hope he does another that doesn't get shut down.
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WashPo via the Ferald:
"This was not racially motivated, it wasn't over religious beliefs," Freeman Martin, of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said at a news briefing.
"There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws."
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@rembrandt Just picking out your comment "So much for gun control". Not sure what you're aiming for there and not wishing to pick an argument when there might be one but...
The perp not legally being allowed to buy a gun is not the whole gun control issue. If there are guns freely available and it is legal to carry such a weapon, then the chances of this prick getting collared before he fires off umpteen rounds at the local baptist church is lessened.
Not arguing here for anything anywhere near a solution as I reckon things have gone waaaay to far.