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@baron-silas-greenback I never said he wasn't achieving things. I just think he is a bell end.
Lots of successful people aren't very likable. It has nothing to do with MSM, I can watch Fox or CNN and see the same clip of Trump making a cock of himself.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in North Korea:
@snowy said in North Korea:
@baron-silas-greenback said in North Korea:
Trump is just winning on nearly all fronts. Taxes, ISIS, North Korea, immigration.
So.Much.Fun watching the Trump haters look more and more foolish.I just don't like him because he is an arrogant dickhead, not because he might be incompetent.
I think all politicians are arrogant dickheads. Some just try harder to hide it.
I would choose an effective arrogant dickhead over an ineffective arrogant dickheadThis is just getting more and more amusing as people slowly realize they have been brainwashed by the MSM
This.
I have nothing but contempt for most politicians from all sides. The difference between them and Trump is that Trump makes no attempt to hide what he is. To me that's preferable over the perverse facade you see with most politicians and their attempts to fool enough people into believing they're doing something but not actually doing anything. Rather an effective fuckstick than a silvertongued incompetent.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in North Korea:
This is just getting more and more amusing as people slowly realize they have been brainwashed by the MSM
This is the bit I have a problem with. There is no "brainwashing" for people that watch several channels, read different papers, websites, etc. You can get a balanced view and make your own decisions, come to your own conclusions.
Mine is that Trump is a jerk who might actually be good at his (still relatively new) job, economically. Environmentally - another discussion.
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Not so sure about economically given he's just signed a bill that protects a sunset industry that should just be allowed to die (but granted he did keep an election promise) meanwhile likely losing thousands of other American jobs by suddenly making entire industries uncompetitive across the entire Pacific Rim.
Meanwhile the biggest exporter of steel to the US? Oh that's right Canada.
As far as I can see the only difference between him and his predecessors is style. He likes to provoke arguments. He can spin it as much as he likes but I think he just loves the attention.
Guys a fuckwit - like most US presidents since I can't remember when.
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@dogmeat said in North Korea:
Not so sure about economically
Me either, hence the "might be good ". Others on here think his results are good. I will wait and see.
Agree with the other comments about his "style". I would have called it other things.
I have derailed this from North Korea into yet another Trump discussion. Apologies.
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@duluth said in North Korea:
- Bad NK, sabre rattling
- Good NK, thawing relations
- Negotiating NK, gets some cash/aid before elongated talks break down
- Goto 1
They've been doing it for decades and it has been successful.
1 - Check
2 - Check
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I moved most of the generic US politics posts
http://www.thesilverfern.com/topic/431/us-politics/9225Carry on the shit fight over there
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@taniwharugby said in North Korea:
@duluth said in North Korea:
- Bad NK, sabre rattling
- Good NK, thawing relations
- Negotiating NK, gets some cash/aid before elongated talks break down
- Goto 1
They've been doing it for decades and it has been successful.
1 - Check
2 - Check
3 - Coming in May?Good use of the question mark. Seeing as the suggested meeting is going to be between two of the more volatile and unpredictable world leaders it is by no means a given. I hope to fuck it does occur as that would have to count as a real forward step but there’s still a ways to go yet.
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@snowy said in North Korea:
I don't think many of the people I know have been brainwashed.
Oh, Lordy. The last Republican president and All his Men launched a war based on a pack of lies, sold “greeted as liberator” dogshit, resulted in a massive destabilized region, the rise of ISIS, hundreds of thousands dead, a refugee crisis, trillions of dollars flushed down the U.S. Treasury, and it’s still not over. That, to me, is arrogant dickheadedness. I can’t see anywhere that Trump has done anything even remotely close to comparable. He has a brash New York swagger, and punches back hard. That’s it. Style over substance. That’s why most people hate him.
But . . . you probably don’t think many of the people you know have been brainwashed.
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There you go @Snowy
Conclusive proof.
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@catogrande said in North Korea:
There you go @Snowy
Conclusive proof.
Yes. It’s obvious. We are the brainwashed ones here.
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Like to point out where he is wrong? I am betting you cannot so you resort to nonsense
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It's not brainwashing, it's the fact that so many people only watch either very left leaning or very right leaning media. You do that, you only get half the story and often deliberately misleading information given the state of media today.
It'd be great of people genuinely made an effort to see both sides of the story before pushing their opinions and/or protesting etc. As @Duluth mentioned in another thread, the political turing test is worth keeping in mind on many of the more polarising issues (I.E. making a genuine effort to understand opposing arguments and ideas to the point that you could argue in favour of them).
I quite like a guy on youtube called 'Nuance Bro' who interviews people at protests etc, and depending what side they are he takes the other side.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in North Korea:
Like to point out where he is wrong? I am betting you cannot so you resort to nonsense
Are you saying I have been brainwashed by the left leaning media? If so that’s nonsense.
Salacious Crumbs posts are the flip side of the same coin as the idiots who instead of looking at the failings of their own side that lead to Trumps election twist everything he does into something terrible. In Salacious Crumbs mind Trump can do no wrong .If he can convince North Korea to hand over their nukes I’ll be the first to congratulate him on here, even getting them to meet is a significant accomplishment but as you said I suspect they are stalling for more time. The end game for the Koreas is tough to predict, reunification would probably bankrupt the south and Kim and his cronies have seen what happened to Gaddafi etc so are unlikely to want to loosen their grip anytime soon.
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@jegga said in North Korea:
Are you saying I have been brainwashed by the left leaning media? If so that’s nonsense.
You want an answer to that? I am not really interested in making this an attack on you. That wasn't what I was saying, but seen as you ask. Yeah actually I kinda do. I find pretty much anyone who detests Trumps presidency because they detest Trump is guilty of it. The MSM have feasted on a narrative of how much of a tool Trump is. Whilst doing absolutely everything they can to downplay his accomplishments. The MSM have created a mass hysteria about the guy, and the thing about mass hysteria is that the hysterical think they are perfectly rational. If anyone insists on watering down credit for Trumps accomplishments because they don't like him as a person is what I would define as brainwashed over this. I see basically zero interest in people seeing both sides. I criticize Trump far more than most on here give him credit, and if they do give credit they immediately wash it down with a bucket load of derision.
I could list example after example of things Obama did as a person that I think are far worse than what Trump has done. But ultimately I judge him by what he did as president which was at best nothing and at worse make the world a much less safe place.
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@baron-silas-greenback I said even getting them to meet is a significant accomplishment and I’m brainwashed by the msm?
Trumps inherited a problem three previous administrations simply kicked the can down the road with and seems to be making some progress. Good luck to himMy point was it’s a bit rich for someone to accuse others of being brainwashed when he talks about a Trump the cult members talk about their leader. All politicians should be regarded with disdain imho , deifying them is unhealthy.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in North Korea:
Like to point out where he is wrong? I am betting you cannot so you resort to nonsense
Where he is wrong is that he lists a set of occurrences and suggests that is proof that many of the people @snowy knows are brainwashed. Care to point out where he is right on that point?
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@catogrande said in North Korea:
@baron-silas-greenback said in North Korea:
Like to point out where he is wrong? I am betting you cannot so you resort to nonsense
Where he is wrong is that he lists a set of occurrences and suggests that is proof that many of the people @snowy knows are brainwashed. Care to point out where he is right on that point?
Ahhh right I see your point.Fair enough.
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