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scum like this have no place breathing air
"I choked the bitch. She had it coming," he told him.
The associate asked him if he was sure she was dead.
Davis replied: "I made sure I finished the job. I was choking her out while she was gargling on her blood -
Good work, Winston!
And Fuck you, Little!
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@chris-b said in NZ justice system 2.0:
Good work, Winston!
And Fuck you, Little!
Gutted.
The more nails in this govt coffin the better. This will have been politically insane. Not quite as stupid as the oil and gas ban... But close.
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@Virgil said in NZ justice system 2.0:
Why would a sane 'innocent' person want that gun back?
He's gone to the trouble of moving to Oz and changing his name. What's he going to do with it, display it on his mantle piece or use it to freak out his new family.At a guess, because it was his father's, and there's probably not much else left if he wants a memento. A bit macabre, granted.
All psychos like to keep trophies
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@baron-silas-greenback I'm a bit more open to sitting back and letting them do their stuff and judging them at the end of their term. A bit like Trump, really.
But, this on this one, Little would have got a massive black mark. He's got thousands of people to concentrate on rehabilitating - and he gets three goes at it. After that, these seriously bad bastards belong to those who want to take a hard line.
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@chris-b said in NZ justice system 2.0:
@baron-silas-greenback I'm a bit more open to sitting back and letting them do their stuff and judging them at the end of their term. A bit like Trump, really.
But, this on this one, Little would have got a massive black mark. He's got thousands of people to concentrate on rehabilitating - and he gets three goes at it. After that, these seriously bad bastards belong to those who want to take a hard line.
The strikes aren't like the shitty US ones - they have to be pretty serious in order to get nailed.
It seems to me there is a disconnect between how people think the justice system plays out, and how it actually does. SO few of the people in the system are there for the first time - hence the way Queenstown Businessman gets treated for snapping and smacking someone. The judges must just see people in front of them all day, every day with rap sheets as long as your arm.
Kiwiblog's series on second strikers is no doubt cherry picked, but very very telling. People getting pinged while on bail for the first strike ... it's scary shit.
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@nzzp Even when people are racking up the three strikes, the judges are weakly using their discretion to bail out. I don't think the three strikes have been properly enforced by any judge yet - even for that arsehole discussed on the previous page.
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I can't help feeling that some offences, say those involving grievous bodily harm resulting in death like wankstain above, shouldn't be 'a' strike, but 'THE' strike.
Also, it is seriously troubling when you read these articles on the worst of the worst, how long the rap sheet is, how often bail was violated - and how quickly.
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In this day and age given the technology we have, the tools we have how hard is it to work out which crimes are at a higher risk of reoffending ( and are unlikely of being rehabilitated) and which crimes are mild enough that there’s a good chance of turning that person around?
Factor in age of the crim too.
I like just as much as anyone to lock any shit up and throw away the key even for the smallest of crimes but i wonder how many troubled kids who act out of boredom and do a break in because of hanging out with the wrong mates, end up growing worse in attitude because they weren’t given a chance or the right tools to make a decent life for themselves?
Yet we have types who clearly will never be a functioning part of society, and will always be a ticking time bomb but some fuck head judge takes pity on him and let’s him out. Like that piece of shit earlier in this thread -
@mokey The death penalty has got some things to recommend it. Not really a saleable proposition in this day and age in NZ though. Three strikes might be the best we can hope for.
Seems to me that some crimes are just so awful that they can never be atoned for and genuine remorse would result in the perpetrator simply topping him/herself.
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@chris-b There are certain cases when I think a bullet to to the head would be a win-win for both avoiding the cost of incarceration, and protecting society from a true sack of shit. Like that man on the Stuff? thread who was the prison informer/murderer/sexual assaulter/robber etc etc who got fucking ACC money for getting injured attempting to escape from prison. Or the guy in Shield Snorters who kidnapped that lady jogger and raped, beat and stabbed her to death then drove around with her in the boot of his car.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ justice system 2.0:
@chris-b see if they got a bullet, we might end up with a shortage
If you like them up close enough I reckon you could get multiple kills with one bullet
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I don't think it will be a surprise to anyone that I don't think much of the 3 strike legislation, any more than I did when it was enacted as I said here at the time.
It doesn't do any more than the Sentencing Act 2002 did then or now, particularly since Preventive Detention gives the option of never releasing particularly dangerous criminals after 2 offenses, and being able to recall them for life if they do overstep later.
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@godder So you're on the Death Penalty train as well, Godder?
I guess one thing that it does is send a clear message to criminals as they accumulate their strikes - well, it would do if the judiciary didn't keep bailing out from enforcing the law under the "manifestly unjust" clause.
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@godder said in NZ justice system 2.0:
I don't think it will be a surprise to anyone that I don't think much of the 3 strike legislation, any more than I did when it was enacted as I said here at the time.
It doesn't do any more than the Sentencing Act 2002 did then or now, particularly since Preventive Detention gives the option of never releasing particularly dangerous criminals after 2 offenses, and being able to recall them for life if they do overstep later.
In that case, you wouldn't need three strikes. You could apply preventative detention (PD) after one or two. You'd like to think two would be enough for mandatory PD depending on the crime.
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@godder Are you against the 3 strike legislation though? (as opposed to thinking it might be redundant considering existing law) If so would you mind talking me through why specifically? I haven't been able to get my head around Labours insistence to remove it, to me it seems to be some airy-fairy idea of rehabilitating those who in my mind have proved beyond rehabilitating. Freely admit that maybe I'm missing a different perspective on it though.
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