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@frank said in US Politics:
The incitement to violence is increasing. This is definitely a coordinated strategy.
Dear god..
Also "proud of what they stand for"...what the hell is that now?
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Might be an obvious point, but it seems the two party system is very open to polarization given all of the crazies get lumped in with decent folk. I.E. all of the Marxists get lumped in with the Democrats, and all of the white supremacists are lumped in with Republicans. So it then becomes easy to smear the whole party based on the actions of a minority of their supporters. I see it all the time with tweets like "This is what Democrats believe" and then rattle of a bunch of very far left ideas.
Although recently I think Labour in NZ has gone too far left (may be a symptom of 9 years out of government), it does help here that the crazies all congregate around NZ First and the Greens where the rest of us can mostly point and laugh at them. Helps us differentiate between the left and the far left anyway.
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@no-quarter said in US Politics:
Might be an obvious point, but it seems the two party system is very open to polarization given all of the crazies get lumped in with decent folk. I.E. all of the Marxists get lumped in with the Democrats, and all of the white supremacists are lumped in with Republicans. So it then becomes easy to smear the whole party based on the actions of a minority of their supporters. I see it all the time with tweets like "This is what Democrats believe" and then rattle of a bunch of very far left ideas.
There was more self policing previously. The John Birch Society was squeezed out by the right for example.
The Dems should be doing a better job of cleaning house at the moment. The problem is so many of the attacks are at 'the left' rather than specifically at the progressive/marxist elements.. it makes the sane, previously mainstream, left reflexively defend them
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@no-quarter
I think you are right, although it's important who is in control of the party.It appears to me the resist Trump at all costs faction, no matter how ridiculous, is controlling the Democrats. This is where their passion is coming from.
Witness the Kavanaugh debacle. You've got moderate Democrats voting against him and throwing the need for evidence out the window. I think this means they are worried about the increasingly large numbers of unhinged far left base.
The republican certainly have their share of nuts. But they aren't controlling their party.
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@rembrandt said in US Politics:
How arrogant do you have to be to purport to speak on behalf of an entire race? Incredible.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
A poster there makes a fantastic point, i.e. the enormous difference between the online Twitter world and the real world. On the internet, you'd think thr world was going to shit, but the vast majority of people aren't this polarised and are just keeping their heads down trying to get through the day and survive/enjoy life.
One of the biggest failures in political/commercial decision-making is this deluded view that vile Twitter mobs are representative of the population or consumers at large. That simply isn't true. They are about as representative as the fanatics who used to write multiple letters to the editor back in the day.
Twitter mobs aren't representative of anything other than twitter mobs. Idiots who commune together to be idiots.
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@majorrage said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
A poster there makes a fantastic point, i.e. the enormous difference between the online Twitter world and the real world. On the internet, you'd think thr world was going to shit, but the vast majority of people aren't this polarised and are just keeping their heads down trying to get through the day and survive/enjoy life.
One of the biggest failures in political/commercial decision-making is this deluded view that vile Twitter mobs are representative of the population or consumers at large. That simply isn't true. They are about as representative as the fanatics who used to write multiple letters to the editor back in the day.
Twitter mobs aren't representative of anything other than twitter mobs. Idiots who commune together to be idiots.
Yeah, I need to remind myself of that. When I see the most retarded tweets you can imagine get 200k likes, it's still not a big number of people in the greater scheme of things.
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Yeah, the thing is - and this is a big thing - is that most of them are actually throwing weight behind a decent sort of cause / movement. The sort of thing that does genuinely have a good, fair and decent purpose behind it.
But then they get hysterical over some stupid shit which doesn't add weight to the movement, but is more likely to turn people against it. The latest classic case in point, for me, is good old Piers again, who told a black professor that he found his accusations about racist Britain absurd.
Enter twitter mob ... "this is typical white man splaining, and black people don't need white people thank you very much do tell them how they feel, and they certainly don't need it from such a racist as Piers". All because he said
"if you don't like it here, why don't you live somewhere else"
Case in point - racism in Britain is a fair topic, (although I think many have actually forgotten what racism actually means as I would say the open mindedness about race, sexual orientation etc in this country is pretty forward thinking), and it's fair to discuss. But the twitter mob's view just makes me turn off them completely.
And that ain't fair to the genuine people with real race related situation. (Diane Abbot exempted, obviously).
I do sometimes wonder if I'm @Rembrandt perhaps 3-4 years ago ...
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@majorrage said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
A poster there makes a fantastic point, i.e. the enormous difference between the online Twitter world and the real world. On the internet, you'd think thr world was going to shit, but the vast majority of people aren't this polarised and are just keeping their heads down trying to get through the day and survive/enjoy life.
One of the biggest failures in political/commercial decision-making is this deluded view that vile Twitter mobs are representative of the population or consumers at large. That simply isn't true. They are about as representative as the fanatics who used to write multiple letters to the editor back in the day.
Twitter mobs aren't representative of anything other than twitter mobs. Idiots who commune together to be idiots.
The Jamie Kilstein interview on Rogan is pretty enlightening about twitter mobs . It’s worth a listen just to understand the mentality behind them . He was right in there ruining the hashtag of the days life until he became the hashtag of the day and they ruined his life.
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@majorrage said in US Politics:
Yeah, the thing is - and this is a big thing - is that most of them are actually throwing weight behind a decent sort of cause / movement. The sort of thing that does genuinely have a good, fair and decent purpose behind it.
But then they get hysterical over some stupid shit which doesn't add weight to the movement, but is more likely to turn people against it. The latest classic case in point, for me, is good old Piers again, who told a black professor that he found his accusations about racist Britain absurd.
Enter twitter mob ... "this is typical white man splaining, and black people don't need white people thank you very much do tell them how they feel, and they certainly don't need it from such a racist as Piers". All because he said
"if you don't like it here, why don't you live somewhere else"
Case in point - racism in Britain is a fair topic, (although I think many have actually forgotten what racism actually means as I would say the open mindedness about race, sexual orientation etc in this country is pretty forward thinking), and it's fair to discuss. But the twitter mob's view just makes me turn off them completely.
And that ain't fair to the genuine people with real race related situation. (Diane Abbot exempted, obviously).
I do sometimes wonder if I'm @Rembrandt perhaps 3-4 years ago ...
I watched a Rubin interview with a guy called Coleman Hughes last night. He made the (good) point that in terms of racism we are at a point of diminishing returns. Discrimination based on race is illegal, and the majority of people are simply not racist anymore.
So we're at the point now where activists are trying to force some Utopian view they have of humanity on to everyone - that everybody should be morally virtuous and we should expel all evil from humanity. It's just not going to happen, there will always be bad people around, and it's getting to the point that the activism trying to stamp it out is having a big cost on society, particularly when it comes to peoples freedom.
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@no-quarter a great part of that interview was likening racism to smallpox and that racism ( even thoughts and private conversation) can be totally eradicated from society like smallpox has been. The left narrative thinks all racism can be " cured".
Wrong approach.
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@majorrage said in US Politics:
And that ain't fair to the genuine people with real race related situation. (Diane Abbot exempted, obviously).
You got an example?
Not wishing to be provocative mate but after years of wistful nodding that systemic racism exists in the West, I'm wondering where this smoking canon is.
Actually I'd like to know, almost hope to see examples of real racism to validate the narrative, so I know I'm not being blindly contrarian
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@siam said in US Politics:
@majorrage said in US Politics:
And that ain't fair to the genuine people with real race related situation. (Diane Abbot exempted, obviously).
You got an example?
Not wishing to be provocative mate but after years of wistful nodding that systemic racism exists in the West, I'm wondering where this smoking canon is.
Actually I'd like to know, almost hope to see examples of real racism to validate the narrative, so I know I'm not being blindly contrarian
Totally agree with this mate. Seems almost like something you have to say because it's the done thing. The desperate and psychotic attempts to find and even redefine racism would be a pretty good indication that racism is barely on life support in most of the West. Judging by the banter between my son and his very multicultural group of friends, the word racism is fast becoming a big joke.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
@siam said in US Politics:
@majorrage said in US Politics:
And that ain't fair to the genuine people with real race related situation. (Diane Abbot exempted, obviously).
You got an example?
Not wishing to be provocative mate but after years of wistful nodding that systemic racism exists in the West, I'm wondering where this smoking canon is.
Actually I'd like to know, almost hope to see examples of real racism to validate the narrative, so I know I'm not being blindly contrarian
Totally agree with this mate. Seems almost like something you have to say because it's the done thing. The desperate and psychotic attempts to find and even redefine racism would be a pretty good indication that racism is barely on life support in most of the West. Judging by the banter between my son and his very multicultural group of friends, the word racism is fast becoming a big joke.
Every time my kids say the word black or white, one of them instantly calls the other racist. They are 7 and 9, and apparently it is a 'thing' at school to do this.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
@siam said in US Politics:
@majorrage said in US Politics:
And that ain't fair to the genuine people with real race related situation. (Diane Abbot exempted, obviously).
You got an example?
Not wishing to be provocative mate but after years of wistful nodding that systemic racism exists in the West, I'm wondering where this smoking canon is.
Actually I'd like to know, almost hope to see examples of real racism to validate the narrative, so I know I'm not being blindly contrarian
Totally agree with this mate. Seems almost like something you have to say because it's the done thing. The desperate and psychotic attempts to find and even redefine racism would be a pretty good indication that racism is barely on life support in most of the West. Judging by the banter between my son and his very multicultural group of friends, the word racism is fast becoming a big joke.
Every time my kids say the word black or white, one of them instantly calls the other racist. They are 7 and 9, and apparently it is a 'thing' at school to do this.
I quite like it so play along.Yep, but not just that. If one accuses the other of anything, for example forgetting to bring something, they will accuse the other of racism.
My eldest also has an ongoing banter with one of my best mates (who is Malaysian Chinese). My mate often lightly teases him and my son always responds with accusations of racism. They both find it hilarious.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
@siam said in US Politics:
@majorrage said in US Politics:
And that ain't fair to the genuine people with real race related situation. (Diane Abbot exempted, obviously).
You got an example?
Not wishing to be provocative mate but after years of wistful nodding that systemic racism exists in the West, I'm wondering where this smoking canon is.
Actually I'd like to know, almost hope to see examples of real racism to validate the narrative, so I know I'm not being blindly contrarian
Totally agree with this mate. Seems almost like something you have to say because it's the done thing. The desperate and psychotic attempts to find and even redefine racism would be a pretty good indication that racism is barely on life support in most of the West. Judging by the banter between my son and his very multicultural group of friends, the word racism is fast becoming a big joke.
Every time my kids say the word black or white, one of them instantly calls the other racist. They are 7 and 9, and apparently it is a 'thing' at school to do this.
I quite like it so play along.Play along, or take part to stir the shit out of the Pot!!!
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@majorrage ha ha no one is offering odds on the latter 😁😁
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@siam said in US Politics:
@majorrage said in US Politics:
And that ain't fair to the genuine people with real race related situation. (Diane Abbot exempted, obviously).
You got an example?
Not wishing to be provocative mate but after years of wistful nodding that systemic racism exists in the West, I'm wondering where this smoking canon is.
Actually I'd like to know, almost hope to see examples of real racism to validate the narrative, so I know I'm not being blindly contrarian
You do help make my point for me here, although I’m not naive enough to say no racism exists in the west
A good example is in City of London there are people who research why so few African /Caribbean ppl hold senior positions. These guys aren’t looking for racism, they are looking for cultural things. But the twitter mob jump on the stats like rabid dogs and go nuts.
They think they are raising awareness, but instead are just turning ppl off
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